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==G8+?==
As I understand it, your arguably correct viewpoint informs your recent edits to articles about the G8 summits. In fact, it makes sense to me that anything called G8 is somehow a bit little awkward when the "family photos" at the summits always present more than eight world leaders.
* {{flagicon|EU}} '''[[European Union]]''' [[Jose Manuel Barroso]], [[President of the European Commission|Commission President]]<ref>Reuters: [http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKB26280520080703?sp=true "Factbox: The Group of Eight: what is it?"], July 3, 2008; {{cite web| url = http://www.deljpn.ec.europa.eu/union/showpage_en_union.external.g8.php| title = EU and the G8| accessdate = 2007-09-25| publisher = European Commission}}</ref>

Nevertheless, I think your edit is wrong -- not because it's illogical, nor even that it's not true -- but solely because you haven't yet offered a citation to support the edit.
* ''See'' [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] -- The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true.

In the absence of another cited source, the Reuters analysis which is cited at [[34th G8 summit]] would seem to be controlling. Do you see my point? To summarize: it's not that you're wrong, but rather that you're not quite right either. What do you think? Can you upload a citation which verifies your reasoning and your edit? --[[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] ([[User talk:Tenmei|talk]]) 01:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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My Talk page

Any particular reason you undid Peter Symonds blanking of my talk page? rrcatto (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I assumed It was vandalism as page blankings not done by the user usually are.--Lucy-marie (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Symonds is a WP admin. I reckon my talk page can be blanked since it consisted of personal attacks by someone whose articles I nominated for deletion. rrcatto (talk) 10:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Huntley

Did you read reference 3? It contains information about the ears and fingers. rrcatto (talk) 19:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The refrenece may have given them i nrefrence three, I however could not findthe information. Anyway the information is irrelevant and unecessary, POV and no wider context is given for the information.--Lucy-marie (talk) 11:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the BBC news article which is reference 3, you will see that it contains these lines:

"Victims' groups have condemned £11,000 government compensation entitlements for the families of Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells as "a pittance."

"The £11,000 figure Holly and Jessica's families will receive is the same as for a victim of crime who loses an ear or two fingers."

The sentence in the article that I edited was "The Wells and Chapman families received £11,000 in compensation for the murder of their daughters". A citation was called for that line. I supplied the citation and gave additional information which allows the reader to understand the £11,000 in context. As it stands, the reader is unable to understand what £11,000 represents. rrcatto (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see - Soham_murders - where you will find the same information with the same reference. Quoted here:

The Wells and Chapman families received £11,000 in compensation for the death of their daughters, which was widely criticised in the media. The director of the Victims of Crime Trust, Clive Elliott, described the compensation as a "pittance".

There's a lot of duplication of content across those two articles. rrcatto (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion the articles should be merged if you agree with that assessment plaese contribute to the apropritae discussion. As for the fingers and toes they are not directly relevant to the payout recieved, where as the other comments are diretly commenting on the compensation recieved.--Lucy-marie (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the correct spot? Found it. rrcatto (talk) 16:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is explained in the edit summary. The merger section of the Sohma Murders talk page, to be precise.--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar


The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Lucy-marie,
Your tireless contributions, removal of vandalism and keeping a NPOV at all times improve the sense of community and enhance the helpfulness of wikipedia. I hereby grant you this barnstar in recognition of your dedication and hard work
Fethroesforia 03:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another

The Resilient Barnstar
I know that in a lot of these disputes I've disagreed with you, but no good faith contributor should have to take the sheer volume of abuse you get. Things that normally would barely get noticed from anyone else get blown into major disputes when people see your name involved — and that's not how things ought to work around here. — iridescent 11:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Treaty Work

Member state[1] Date Result[2] Deposition with Italian Government[3]
 Lithuania 11 November 2004 Yes. Seimas: 84 to 4 in favour, 3 abstentions.[4] 17 December 2004
 Hungary Yes. Országgyűlés: 323 to 12 in favour, 8 abstention.[5] 30 December 2004
 Slovenia Yes. Državni zbor: 79 to 4 in favour, 0 abstentions.[6] 9 May 2005
 Italy
Yes. Camera dei Deputati: 436 to 28 in favour, 5 abstentions.[7]
Yes. Senato della Repubblica: abstentions.[8]
 Spain
28 April 2005
18 May 2005		 Yes. Consultative referendum: 76.73% to 17.24% in favour, 6.03% blanks, 42.32% participation.[9][10]
Yes. Congreso de los Diputados: 311 to 19 in favour, 0 abstentions.[11]
Yes. Senado: 225 to 6 in favour, 1 abstention.[12]		 15 June 2005
 Austria 11 May 2005
25 May 2005		 Yes. Nationalrat: Approved by show of hands with 1 against.[13]
Yes. Bundesrat: Approved by show of hands with three against.[14]		 17 June, 2005
 Greece 19 April 2005 Yes. Βουλή των Ελλήνων: 268 to 17 in favour, 15 abstentions.[15] 28 July, 2005
 Malta 6 July 2005 Yes. Il-Kamra: Agreed without a division.[16] 2 August, 2005
 Cyprus 30 June 2005 Yes. Βουλή των Αντιπροσώπων: 30 to 19 in favour, one abstention.[17] 6 October, 2005
 Latvia 2 June 2005 Yes. Saeima: 71 to 5 in favour, six abstentions.[18] 3 January, 2006
 Luxembourg 10 July 2005
25 October 2005		 Yes. Consultative referendum: 56.52% to 43.48% in favour, 87.77% participation.[19][20]
Yes. Châmber: 57 to 1 in favour, no abstentions.[21]		 30 January, 2006
 Belgium 28 April 2005
19 May 2005
17 June 2005
20 June 2005
29 June 2005
19 July 2005
8 February 2006		 Yes. Senaat/Sénat: 54 to 9 in favour, one abstention.[22]
Yes. Kamer/Chambre: 118 to 18 in favour, one abstention.[23]
Yes. Parlement Bruxellois/Brussels Hoofdstedelijk Parlement: 70 to 10 in favour, 0 abstentions.[24]
Yes. Parlament der Deutschsprachigen Gemeinschaft: 21 to 2 in favour, no abstentions.[25]
Yes. Parlement wallon: 55 to 2 in favour, 0 abstention.[26]
Yes. Parlement de la Communauté française: 79 to 0 in favour, no abstentions.[27]
Yes. Vlaams Parlement: 84 to 29 in favour, one abstention.[28]		 13 June, 2006
 Estonia 9 May 2006 Yes. Riigikogu: 73 to 1 in favour, no abstentions.[29] 26 September, 2006
 Bulgaria 1 January, 2007 Yes. Due to the provisions of Treaty of Accession 2005 Not required
 Romania 1 January, 2007 Yes. Due to the provisions of Treaty of Accession 2005 Not required
 Slovakia 11 May, 2005 Yes. Národná rada: 116 to 27 in favour, four abstentions.[30] Pending. President of the republic has not yet signed the law.
 Germany 12 May 2005
27 May 2005		 Yes. Bundestag: 569 to 23 in favour, two abstentions.[31]
Yes. Bundesrat: 66 to 0 in favour, three abstentions.[32]		 Pending. President of the republic has not yet signed the law (due to pending decisions of the Constitutional Court).[33]
 Finland
incl. Åland Åland[34]		 5 December 2006
Cancelled		 Yes. Eduskunta/Riksdag: 125 to 39 in favour, four abstentions.[35]
Lagting[36]		 Pending
 France 29 May 2005
Cancelled
Cancelled		  No. Referendum: 54.68% to 45.32% against, 69.34% participation.[37][38]
Assemblée Nationale:
Sénat:
 Netherlands 1 June 2005
Cancelled
Cancelled		  No. Consultative referendum: 61.54% to 38.46% against, 63.30% participation.[39][40]
Tweede Kamer:
Eerste Kamer:
 Czech Republic Cancelled
Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
Senát:
Poslanecká sněmovna:
 Denmark Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
Folketing:
 Ireland Cancelled
Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
Dáil Éireann:
Seanad Éireann:
 Poland Cancelled
Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
Sejm:
Senat:
 Portugal Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
Assembleia da Republica:
 Sweden Cancelled Riksdag:
 United Kingdom Cancelled
Cancelled
Cancelled		 Referendum:
House of Commons:
House of Lords:


Signatory Final vote date Chamber In favour Against AB Deposition[41] Ref.
 Austria 9 April 2008 National Council 151 27 0 [42]
24 April 2008 Federal Council 58 4 0 [43]
 Belgium 6 March 2008 Senate 48 8 1 [44][45]
10 April 2008 Chamber of Representatives 116 18 7 [46]
Mid-July 2008 Brussels Regional Parliament [45]
Mid-July 2008 Flemish Parliament [45]
Mid-July 2008 Walloon Parliament [45]
Mid-July 2008 French Community Parliament [45]
Mid-July 2008 German-speaking Community Parliament [45]
 Bulgaria 21 March 2008 National Assembly 195 15 30 28 April 2008 [47] [48]
 Cyprus Summer 2008 House of Representatives
 Czech Republic TBD Chamber of Deputies ! [49]
TBD Senate
 Denmark 24 April 2008 Diet 90 25 0 [50]
 Estonia May 2008 Diet [51]
 Finland incl.
Åland Islands		 Autumn 2008 Parliament [52]
TBD Åland Parliament [53]
 France [54] 7 February 2008 National Assembly 336 52 22 14 February 2008 [55]
7 February 2008 Senate 265 42 13 [56]
 Germany 24 April 2008 Federal Diet 515 58 1 [57] [58]
23 May 2008 Federal Council [59]
 Greece Summer 2008 Assembly of the Greeks
 Hungary 20 December 2004 National Assembly 323 12 8 6 February 2008 [60]
 Ireland 12 June 2008 Referendum [61]
TBD House of Representatives
TBD Senate
 Italy 25 January 2005 Chamber of Deputies 436 28 5
25 May 2005 Senate of the Republic 217 16 0
 Latvia 8 May 2008 Diet 70 3 1 [62]
 Lithuania 11 November 2004 Diet 84 4 3 [63]
 Luxembourg 29 May 2008 Chamber of Deputies [64]
 Malta 29 January 2008 House of Representatives 65 0 0 6 February 2008 [65]
 Netherlands June 2008 Second Chamber [66]
Autumn 2008 First Chamber
 Poland 1 April 2008 House of Representatives 384 56 12 [67]
2 April 2008 Senate 74 17 6
 Portugal 23 April2008 Assembly of the Republic 208 21 0 [68]
 Romania 4 February 2008 Parliament 387 1 1 [69] [70]
 Slovakia 10 April 2008 National Council 103 5 1 [71] [72]
 Slovenia 1 February 2005 National Assembly 79 4 0 24 April 2008 [73]
 Spain 20 February 2005 Consultative referendum 76.73% 17.24% 57.68%
28 April 2005 Congress of Deputies 311 19 0
18 May 2005 Senate 225 6 1
 Sweden November 2008 Diet
 United Kingdom
incl. Gibraltar		 No Date House of Commons
No Date House of Lords
TBD Gibraltar Parliament [74]
 European Union 12 January 2005 European Parliament 500 137 36 N/A [75] [76]

British National Party

I quick failed the GA nomination for British National Party due to the presence of maintenance templates ({{pov}} and {{citecheck}}). GA-class articles must not have maintenance templates on them. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beth Tweddle

Never mind. I've made a second edit which hopefully will appease everyone. However, please look over WP:LEDE and featured articles. I'd really prefer discussing things or bringing them to WP:3O rather than engaging in silly edit warring.DanielEng (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

24 Project C Class discussion and Merger Discussion

Just a note that the 24 WikiProject is having a discussion on whether to implement the new C-Class into our assessment scheme, is taking place on the assessment talk page. Feel free to add your input here. SteveBot (owner) 06:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image Fair Use Issue Discussion

Discussion is currently taking place as to how the project will use images, the quantity of images in our articles, and whether we are currently overusing images. Your input is requested on this page. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks. Steve Crossin (contact) 12:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

G8+?

As I understand it, your arguably correct viewpoint informs your recent edits to articles about the G8 summits. In fact, it makes sense to me that anything called G8 is somehow a bit little awkward when the "family photos" at the summits always present more than eight world leaders.

Nevertheless, I think your edit is wrong -- not because it's illogical, nor even that it's not true -- but solely because you haven't yet offered a citation to support the edit.

  • See Wikipedia:Verifiability -- The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true.

In the absence of another cited source, the Reuters analysis which is cited at 34th G8 summit would seem to be controlling. Do you see my point? To summarize: it's not that you're wrong, but rather that you're not quite right either. What do you think? Can you upload a citation which verifies your reasoning and your edit? --Tenmei (talk) 01:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Article IV-447 of the Treaty requires that instruments of ratification be deposited with the Government of the Italian Republic in order for the Treaty to enter into force. Each country deposits the instrument of ratification after its internal ratification process is finalised by all required state bodies (parliament and the head of state). Countries are ordered according to the date of deposition of ratification documents. When two countries have deposited the necessary documents on the same date the order is alphabetical.
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  33. ^ BBC NEWS | World | Europe | EU constitution: Where member states stand
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  37. ^ Participation in French referendum is calculated based on the total number of votes(2.51% of votes were blank or invalid). Results are calculated based on the valid, non-blank votes.
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  42. ^ "Große Mehrheit für den Vertrag von Lissabon" (Press release) (in German). Press Office of the Parliament of Austria. 2008-04-09. Retrieved 2008-04-10.
  43. ^ http://www.parlament.gv.at/PG/PR/JAHR_2008/PK0365/PK0365.shtml
  44. ^ "Minutes of the Plenary Session of Thursday 6 March 2008 (4-19)" (PDF) (in Dutch/French). The Belgian Senate. pp. p. 62. Retrieved 2008-03-13. {{cite web}}: |pages= has extra text (help)CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)
  45. ^ a b c d e f "Belgian senate approves EU's Lisbon treaty". EUbusiness.com. 2008-03-06.
  46. ^ "Kamer keurt Verdrag van Lissabon goed" (in Dutch). De Morgen. pp. p. 1. Retrieved 2008-04-11. {{cite web}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
  47. ^ EU newcomer Bulgaria to ratify EU reform treaty Friday — EUbusiness.com - business, legal and financial news and information from the European Union
  48. ^ Press release of the National Assembly of Bulgaria
  49. ^ EurActiv.com - Ratifying the Treaty of Lisbon | EU - European Information on EU Treaty & Institutions
  50. ^ "Danish parliament ratifies EU's Lisbon Treaty". 2008-04-24. Retrieved 2008-04-24.
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  53. ^ Åland is an autonomous province of Finland. It is part of European Union, but is subject of certain exemptions. Åland Parliament ratification is not necessary for the Treaty to enter into force, but is needed for its provisions to apply on the territory of Åland islands.
  54. ^ 20 December 2007 the constitutional Council has partially thought incompatibli with the French Constitution some dispositions of the treaty therefore before proceeding to ratifies formal of the text is being proceeded to modify the French constitution. A plan of constitutional reform has been approved of from the National Assembly 16 January 2008, from the Senate 29 January 2008 and from the Conference, formed from the National Assembly and the Senate re-united in common sitting 4 February 2008. The law of constitutional review has been published in the Journal Officiel 5 February 2008, day to leave from which France can proceed to ratifies.
  55. ^ Assemblée nationale - Analyse du scrutin n°83 - Séance du : 07/02/2008
  56. ^ Sénat - Compte rendu analytique officiel du 7 février 2008
  57. ^ http://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenargeschehen/to/157.html
  58. ^ http://www.bundestag.de/aktuell/archiv/2008/20217626_kw17_lissabon/abstimmung.html
  59. ^ EUobserver.com
  60. ^ Híradó
  61. ^ http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhojojidojau/
  62. ^ "Latvia, Lithuania ratify Lisbon treaty". The Irish Times. 2008-05-08. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |accessadate= ignored (help)
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  67. ^ http://euobserver.com/9/25900
  68. ^ "Portuguese parliament ratifies EU's Lisbon treaty". EUbusiness. 2008-04-23. Retrieved 2008-04-23.
  69. ^ Pursuant to the Constitution, the ratification occurred in a joint session of both houses.
  70. ^ Romanian parliament ratifies Lisbon Treaty
  71. ^ http://euobserver.com/9/25954/?rk=1
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  73. ^ Slovenia ratifies Lisbon treaty : Europe World
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  75. ^ The European Union is not a legal body nor a normal signatory of the treaty, hence the European Parliament's vote on the treaty is not a ratification per se.
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  77. ^ Reuters: "Factbox: The Group of Eight: what is it?", July 3, 2008; "EU and the G8". European Commission. Retrieved 2007-09-25.
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