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Why did you try to make speedy deletion of the page U.Z.Z. I am its creator. And I want to know why.

-This part is made invalid do to the apology sent by me- U.Z.Z. creator.

Sorry, I'm new. Do you want me to put in stats? Like, I'm not sure the exact number of people killed or anything. I'm not really sure what you'd like. What would you include?Template:Unsigned:Effervescence92

Hi Erechtheus - No problem at all with deleting my article - it didn't meet the encyclopedia criteria! And now that I know about the criteria, I agree with it. Thanks for the note on my user page.

For me, the issues with using wikipedia are that I am so, so busy, and the few times I have time to write I don't also have time to wander through all of wikipedia's rules. For me, the time choice is one or the other - contribute, or learn the rules, which can mean hours and hours of wading through policies which may or may not be relevant. At which point I lose the train of thought about what I wanted to contribute in the first place. Sometimes it's easier to contribute and then let someone who actually knows the current policies (and where to find them) edit.

...and BTW, I have a question - all of the users I've met so far are men? Nice men, but is that just an odd coincidence or are there more men using wikipedia than women?

Pls respond on my user page, as the chance that I'll make it back here is slim.:) - Aunt Amanda

I saw that you claimed that I was adding nonesence to the article. I don't exactly understand what you are referring to. I added valid sources that legitimize the claims that the story has spread. I certainly don't think this constitutes vandalism. [tarzanman21]

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so yeah....ok if it bothers you that much, then by all means tag it with an unsourced tag....Abstrakt

Please note that Alana Grace's songs on MySpace have been played over 400,000 times. Many people are interested in her music.

With this in mind, I would be grateful if you would remove the notability flag on the Alana Grace article.

Thanks,

User:JD_Fan

Given that more music is being marketed and sold on-line, I would argue that plays on MySpace should be one criterion among several for notability. Perhaps that policy needs updating, especially since artists will soon be selling music directly to the public by way of MySpace. Please see the article on this in the Washington Post. [1]

Please note that Alana Grace has a song on the soundtrack CD for the movie "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" (a movie that grossed $40 M). I would argue that being included on the same CD as established artists such as Chantal Kreviazuk and Natasha Bedingfield is itself a mark of notability - especially when a number of the reviews (e.g., on Amazon) said that the song by Alana Grace was one of the strongest tracks on the CD. Some even said that the CD was worth buying for that track alone. In fact, her song on that soundtrack/CD attracted so much attention that she was invited to sing it live on national television (on the Today show on NBC). That CD has been out for about 18 months and is currently ranked about 7,000 on Amazon - not bad for a CD that has been out that long. The Amazon reviews are at: [2]

As for tours, Alana Grace toured California last summer as the opening act for Ashlee Simpson, which gave her some visibility in that market. However, I wouldn't say that she sounds anything like Ashlee Simpson (much better, much stronger, in my opinion). Listen to her songs on MySpace, and see what you think.

On a point of more general policy, I would argue that the Wikipedia is particularly useful for finding out about new and emerging artists, and it would be good to have some flexibility in evolving, adapting, and applying the criteria of notability. For my part, I am always looking for new music by new artists (e.g., by following the "Listeners Also Bought" leads from one singer to another) - and whenever I do find a new artist, I always start with the Wikipedia article (if it exists) on that singer.

User:JD_Fan

Thanks for making me aware of the notability criteria. I have added my own set of comments to the talk page for these criteria, on "Niche Markets + New and Emerging Artists". Please see: [3]

PS: The comments on that talk page mostly refer to artists outside the USA. Generally, I write about Canadian musicians - but I believe in recognizing quality wherever it is found, which is why I wrote about Alana Grace, an American musician (whom I think will do very well here once her CD comes out in early 2007).

User:JD_Fan

HI I'm just letting you know that I'm acting on behalf of the 5000 Role Models of Excellence Project in creating their page for the encyclopedia. The content is copyright to the non-profit organization therefore with prior permission I was able to go ahead and "create" the page as for the image I do not know how to remove/ re-upload it

So what sources are necessary for an album which is a stub. I can't think what information on there could possibly require verification. As you stated, I've searched and found many albums, some with actual information besides a track listing, which don't have references.

Quoting WP:V: "Material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article"

I don't understand how a track listing of an album is likely to be challenged. Are you challenging the validity of this? If not, then WP:V says it doesn't require a source, to my reading.

Can you give another look to that page? I added some references.

Meh i'm less than fussed about how you view me, with a negative shadow or not. But hey, I'm glad that you managed to understand what i wrote, and well done on your efforts to help Wikipedia, I'm sure proud of you.

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Good evening. Thanks for looking at my article on Thomas Billing. I can't pretend it took me many hours to compile - it was lifted straight from the DNB. But is it rightly described as a "stub"? After all, how much does anyone want to be told about a 15th century English judge?

45ossington 21:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, someone called Splash has now promoted it to B, which may be a step too far in the other direction - who knows? Anyway, I'm sure Billing would be flattered to know that people were still taking an interest in his career 500 years on.

45ossington 09:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't tell me that Metra itself isn't a reliable source for this article(http://metrarail.com/Sched/bn/hy59.shtml). They've got an image of the station, a map of the parking areas, the bus connections and other details. So why the tag? ---- DanTD 01:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you know of any other source, bring it on. I'm hoping it's some train-lover from the suburbs of Chicago, because they should know a lot better than I would. ---- DanTD 04:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You recently tagged the article on historic landscape characterisation with the primarysources template. I usually regard English Heritage as a reliable source. What sort of references do you think the article needs? Rjm at sleepers 17:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple of non English Heritage references. Have a look and see whether they are sufficient to remove the tag. Rjm at sleepers 18:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was quick - cheers. Rjm at sleepers 18:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sending a welcome tag to me as if I vandalized? LOL What is this? I see you're looking for pages to tag them. Sources for an album are unnecessary. Information can found be via the page of the singer. See I'm Your Baby Tonight by Whitney Houston. There is so much of information there, and not even one source, so please find another task. The next time I'll turn to an administrator. --Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you? Get out of my way! Stop re-adding this stupid template of welcome, I'm not a newcomer here. I'm creating pages. Nobody took care and I'm trying to help. It comes from the official site of Yolandita Monge - here is the link [4]. And in WP:A there is nothing like this indicated so don't make up stories please. --Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremie Belpois, a character from Code Lyoko, IS notable. There, the article should NOT be deleted. Please do not add the maintenance tags again. Thank you. Angie Y. 12:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You added:

This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are not sufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources.

My comment:

It seems to me that the organization that gives an award is the best authority about the award criteria and its recipients to date. Who do you consider a "more appropriate citation from reliable sources"?

With all best wishes, Daderot 23:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually two issues here. The first is WP:RS. I encourage you to read about primary versus secondary sourcing. The second is WP:N. That is really the same issue if you ask me, but it is perhaps a better explanation. The questions are not only whether the information is reliable but also whether these awards matter enough to have an article here. I think they probably do, but this will be a better article when attributed third party commentary is included. Please don't take the template as a slam on your work. I love seeing the encyclopedia expand. I just want to make sure it is the best encyclopedia it can be. That's why I spend a lot of my editing effort adding these sorts of editorial templates. Erechtheus 23:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your notes, which are much appreciated. Let me respond to your two points in turn. As for Reliable Sources (WP:RS), I quote: "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued and usually the most reliable sources in areas where they are available, such as history, medicine and science." Please note that the IEEE and OSA are two of the most respected scientific organizations in the world; thus I think their reliability in scientific matters is acceptable. Your second point is Notability (WP:N). Here I quote: "The common theme in the notability guidelines is the requirement for verifiable objective evidence to support a claim of notability. Substantial coverage in reliable sources constitutes such objective evidence, as do published peer recognition and the other factors listed in the subject specific guidelines." Here it seems that published peer recognition is the essential criterion, and is surely the case for IEEE and OSA awards. With all best wishes, Daderot 00:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Hi,

I have noticed you have been adding sources tags to some of the Italian basketball teams pages I have been creating. I just wanted to let you know that those tags are totally justified, and I wish that somebody would find some better sources. I'm using the official websites for the Italian League and Italian Wikipedia to add history and rosters for now, so that at least there are stubs in place. Teams' own websites are non-independent sources, obviously, but is the league's site a "third-party reliable" source? Sounds borderline to me. In any case, I have no access to the Italian libraries and Google News Archive does not have much in the way of old Italian newspapers - hope that somebody who has access to those will source those articles better. Cheers and enjoy your day! Karaboom 00:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are using the {{sources}} tag rather a lot- generally, that is used when articles need more sources than they already have, because the claims they make can't really be verified by what the sources say, or because of the nature of the source compared to the nature of the statement. A more appropriate tag for the new articles you are tagging would be {{unref}}. J Milburn 00:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you satisfied with my References - consisting of the paper(s) itself/themselvers? --Ludvikus 02:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, hoped you might take a look at my questions in the Discussion section of the "Maureen Long" article I created. Any help would be appreciated. Best, Sir Rhosis 02:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi--started a thread on the Talk page for Robert M. O’Neil. If you have an opportunity to clarify any specific concerns that would be very helpful to me. Tjarrett 15:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I noticed that you had flagged the Tvisha article. Which other article's are out there referring to the same name? rahul 16:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two things (look - no apostrophe!): Some of the templates on your user page are great - are they copyright or in the public domain ('cos I'd love to use a couple of 'em on my own page)? Secondly, we met up, briefly, on a page I started recently. Although its (see, no ') continued existence is slightly doubtful due to the polemic involved, I'd like it to be kept there as long as possible 'cos there's a lot at stake and it's only a matter of time time before it becomes a victim of vandalism. So, the bottom line is, can I count on your experience here at Wikipedia to help eke out its shaky future? If not, quite understand, and would appreciate neutral comments on how to improve it. No need to answer this plea - actions speak louder than words. Well, regarding the templates, would appreciate something. Regards, --Technopat 21:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to ask: Is the Chewbacca Defense applicable in this case? Not being well versed in jurisprudence has its limitatations. Regs., --Technopat 21:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prompt reply. In answer to your questions (can't remember order):

a) your template

b) San Glorio
c) I signed - I nearly always remember - and this time was no different. Regards, --Technopat 00:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Many thanks, and the same (happy editing) to you! Regs. --Technopat 00:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I reviewed your speedy delete request for this article. I believe speedy delete is not appropriate because despite a lack of sources and although it may well not ultimately have any, the article does claim notability, was founded by a notable figure, and is not an obvious prank or advertisement. For this reason, I believe either the proposed deletion or the regular articles for deletion approach, which takes longer and gives authors of unsourced articles an opportunity to provide sources and justify notability before deletion, would be the better approach. I believe speedy deletes are reserved for cases where lack of notability etc. is completely obvious. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I believe the general rule is that speedy deletion is to be enforced only if an article inappropriateness is obvious. We get plenty of articles written by 12-year-olds about their garage bands and love interests. Also things like attack articles, wholesale copies of website pages, and the like. If there's a chance it might possibly be legit, better to use one of the other processes. Articles for deletion involves a discussion by the community open for several days. This gives supporters and bystanders an opportunity to dig up sources and strengthen it if they can. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I recently noticed that you tagged Hypocrisy (band) with a notability tag and would like to point out that your tag is not justified. I do not know if you are aware of the criteria set forth for notability in WP:MUSIC, but even if you are, I would highly recommend you go read it. Hypocrisy clearly meets criteria #5, #4, and #1 under WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. --Leon Sword 01:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]