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Archived the talk page again. The last edit was in May, so it seemed like a good time to give this page a fresh start. Ash(talk) 01:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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• No. The Self-acceptance article is a shallow stub with no substantive information. It has very little to do with clinical psychology and only the vaguest connection with psychotherapy. Ash(talk) 03:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I used to edit this article under the name Psykhosis (yes, I'm back from "retirement"). —Ash(talk) 02:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great to have you back.--Ziji (talk email) 00:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is my impression that the counseling and clinical psych fields are now undifferentiated. In my experience, there is only one license for both fields and they both perform the same internships, in the same environment. Practically, both work in the same field, with the same clients, the differences have dissolved. The distinction the cited article claims may have been more true back when it was written (using sources from the eighties), but in the intervening time, it is my impression that the distinctions have become much less pronounced. I'm not sure how to phrase this and what would classify as a notable source for this, as I was not able to find an article written about this shift, but as it is, I feel this article is outdated. leontes 12:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the paragraph in the article does a good job of pointing out what differences remain, using recent sources (they are not from the 80s, as suggested). I also added a cite from the APA counseling section, Section 17. The practical differences are shrinking, but nevertheless remain, including differences in education, focus, and clinical attitude. —Ash(talk) 15:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have retained the comparison in the paragraph, but rephrased as I feel that the distinctions were too strongly drawn. The increase in the prevalence of the short term psychiatric units in hospitals has increased number of Masters level counselor positions available in hospitals and many counselors are now trained in working with abnormal psychology. The article that I think thought was out of date was the 'what's the diff?' article, which I see now has it's references in late nineties rather than eighties has I originally thought: my bad. I'm curious about the "clinical attitude" you speak about, as in my experience clinical psychologists and counselors are quite similar in approach when it comes to psychotherapy, the main difference to me, seems to come between the different theoretical backgrounds, such as the cognitive behaviorists vs the humanists or the relationists. leontes 23:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]