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		Lucy-marie, Your tireless contributions, removal of vandalism and keeping a NPOV at all times improve the sense of community and enhance the helpfulness of wikipedia. I hereby grant you this barnstar in recognition of your dedication and hard work Fethroesforia 03:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I recently complicated a brief list of articles to be merged and their status on the project page. I've left a note at WikiProject Crime for other editors to vote on the matter. Also I've done some cleaning up on the Wanted and Expand Articles sections, specifically regarding unreferenced articles. MadMax 20:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I see you have been in some contentions debates on the article on the BNP. Might I reccomend remaining COOL in these situations as it will help things flow alot smoother. I have been following this for a little while and if the parties invovled cant start playing nice together, I will protect the article until you do! Hope all is going well for you otherwise. Thanks, -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported you to WP:AN/3RR for breaking the three revert rule. Thank you. One Night In Hackney 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it is regarding the G8 template, you hvae only reverted 3 times. If you do it again, I will block you for violating the WP:3RR. Same goes for the other reverting party who is currently at 3 reverts as well. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They may be, but re-reverting it right now would be a bad idea. I am here to help other editors but also uphold policy. I get no joy from blocking any editors. Feel free to discuss it on the talk page, if there is already a discussion that you believe has acieved consensus and the edits are against it, point me towards the discussion and I will attempt to determine what the consensus is. Hope this helps, thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just found your edits at the article on G8. I need your ssurance that you will not rever the G8 article of the {{G8}} template until this matter is resolved. It would be much easier if you were willing to cooperate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I won't revert again. Just tell Hackney not revert a concensus. --Lucy-marie 21:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its ok, calm down! I am working it out. Do you have any sources that show that the EU is not part of the G8? This to me appears a possible issue of facts. I have asked Hackney to provide me sources showing that the EU is technically part of the G8. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The facts that it has never and cannot chair meetings and individual members of the EU are members of the G8. If the EU was a member the individual states would not need representation. Also i Have never found any statment regarding EU inclusion and the maintext says it is merly represented.--Lucy-marie 21:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is what i was tended to believe. I however need to here from Hackney before i get too much involved. i want to hear both sides and understand where both sides are coming from. Thanks for the explanation. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An aside I have had the page protected to stop revertions.--Lucy-marie 21:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or more accurately to protect the page on your preferred version, like you have done before. One Night In Hackney 21:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it is to stop all edit waring on the page. I view that statement as a personal attack.--Lucy-marie 21:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've just merged another two articles, however I was wondering which article should be merged to which regarding the murderer and victim (ex. Michael Hamer/Joe Geeling ? I'm assuming it should go under the victim (or as the Joe Geeling murder) unless comitted by a serial killer, mass murderer, assassin, etc. ? MadMax 10:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I've merged the remaining articles with the exception of two as I assume there is still some discussion going on. MadMax 03:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cool wall lost does not have to be on their website to be their intellectual property. The list is broadcast by the BBC and is the BBC's intellectual property, we cannot reproduce it in whole or in large part without violating copyright, unless an officer of the BBC is prepared to release the contents under GFDL. It would be OK to list a small subset, but not large numbers. Guy (Help!) 21:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Lucy-marie, when content is removed by an admin citing copyright, and the admin makes a comment on Talk, it's wise not to keep reverting. OK? Guy (Help!) 21:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Adding comment here rather than Guy's talk page as it's relevant to this page.) Please also see my comment on Talk:The Cool Wall. Guy your comments to Lucy-marie seem a bit 'heavy-handed'. Without a rationale for the copyvio assertion, I think the average Wikipedian would revert your changes (I certainly would). There sems to be an implicit threat in your words above, which is not really warranted. There's no evidence of bad faith here. DrFrench 21:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vote Keep on the delete nomination discussions on Jessica Lindgren , XXL (band) and Friends (group),if you feel like it i want to add.;) Thanks.----Matrix17 17:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As i sayed its up to you. Why should i vote against JCG?--Matrix17 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've been trying to merge the remaining articles on the open tasks list using the title "Murder of" as a compromise, however User:Ryulong is against merging them on the basis of their biographical articles and has reverted all the mergers. You might want to discuss the issue with him. MadMax 04:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• If you do see any issues with the recent mergers, please feel free to let me know and I can certainly revert them. I do think it was an honest mistake by Ryulong, however. The double edged sword of being bold on my part. ;) MadMax 21:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lucy-marie, I didn't actually add anything to the TG page. I just reverted the change made by User:Shas'o sodit where he removed a word. I only reverted it once - back to how it was before. I happned to think that the sentence flowed better with that word, but I'm not going to make an issue out of it. Cheers! DrFrench 19:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might be interested in Stefan Kiszko, strikes me this could be changed to incorporate recent developments [1] into something like The Lesley Molseed murder? SqueakBox 16:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I've just reviewed a section on the above article as Wright is due back in court on 1 May. I have to agree with one of your edits, a while back, stating that there was some frivolous information in the court appearances section. But I disgaree with the last part refering to the name of the judge, and the reference to Belmarsh prison - I wrote this and attributed to the PA wire service which I access. So I've re-inserted part of it... as any court reporter will tell you, the name of the judge and the prison are important and not frivolous facts. Best wishes. Escaper7 15:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop creating redirect pages to Bill Gates on the mainspace pages associated with talk archives such as Talk:Bill Gates/Archive 1. Unlike most talk pages, talk archives do not need an associated article. I've deleted both of your redirects under WP:CSD#R3 (implausible typo). Walton ^{Need some help?} 19:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, it's not important. Maybe I got you confused with someone else. Walton ^{Need some help?} 16:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I thought you might be interested to know about the recent cfd/reaming discussion relating to Category:Gangs by ethnicity as well as all ethnic and historically related street gang categorires which includes Historical gangs of London (a subcategory of Historical criminals of London) and I assume with effect naming conventions of general crime related categories to eliminate ethnicity from crime related categories.

Also, a related discussion on changing Jewish-American organized crime to a "less offensive and accusatory" title will also effect article naming conventions for similar organized crime related articles such as Talk:African-American organized crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime and I assumed related British articles as well.

By the way, I finished the last of the articles to be merged. If there's any I've missed, please let me know. Also, I've been talking to User:Wooyi about a possible "collaberation of the week" between the various crime related WikiProject and I was wondering f that would be of interest to WikiProject: British crime ? MadMax 23:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed that the categories of the articles you have merged (i.e. Sarah Payne to Murder of Sarah Payne et all) no longer make sense as they refer to people not events. I've tried to make some sense of them by cutting those in the article and replacing them with ones pertaining to the event itslef. However, because the categories are a good way of finding the article in question I've kept them by moving them to the redirects for the victim and murderer. This way the categories perform in the correct manner, look right in the article and the name in the category is correct. Its the same procedure as used for siblings who share articles (see Wright brothers). Since you seem to be behind the moves (which I think are a good idea by the way), I thought I should bring this to you and you could pass it on to the relevant places if need be (I'm not very experienced at editing crime articles). If I have made a mistake and these edits are incorrect or inappropriate then by all means let me know and I'll revert them myself. --Jackyd101 00:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've been talking to User:Wooyi regarding a Wikipedia crime related newsletter as a collaberation of the various crime related WikiProjects and I was wondering weither this might be a good idea for WP:BRITCRIME ? MadMax 05:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		The Original Barnstar
		In recognition of your many useful edits to Wikipedia, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the good work. Lradrama 11:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found this over at User talk:Lucie-marie (and have now deleted it) but it must have been meant for you:

On August 6, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Amanda Dowler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 12:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-- ALoan (Talk) 15:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it is not a topic that I know very much about. So much nastiness in the world (cf. Madeleine McCann). Sigh. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your call. If those are the rules, then that's not for me to take issue with. However, I think it's slightly unnerving referring to children/minors by their surnames. Most murdered people under the age of 18 are referred to by their first names only. Is James Bulger referred to by his surname (he was only three) or any of the Moors Murderers' victims? Lesley was 17 - not regarded in UK law in 1975 as an adult. Also, referring to any crime victim by more than a mere surname affords them respect and dignity, setting them apart from the perpetrator. I have no powers or rights to bang on about this, but I'd ask that you consider this viewpoint if a review of Wikipedia policy is mooted soon. Fond regards... Bentley Banana 17:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The POV argument is valid but I think it is in danger of being overblown and used for its own sake. If I were Lesley Whittle's brother and saw the article on his sister's killer which put her on the same level as the man who killed her I'd be taken aback, at the very least. I also think it doesn't pay to get too precious about this. The point about rules is that they can be changed or tweaked if they are seen to be not working or have room for improvement. It does Wikipedia no favours to come across as a site run by cold automatons. Bentley Banana 07:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, your comments seem to have missed both my point and my context, but I'm not especially inclined to continue this debate. The Neilson article is one on which I did the initial expansion work quite some time ago, and barring the POV issue over names, I'm more than happy with it. We'll agree to differ, but I have other things to occupy my time. Thanks. Bentley Banana 03:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Lucy-marie,

I replaced the generic image with a public domain image of the Old Bailey. I apologize, I hadn't realized the Krays image coundn't be used in a template. Unfortunatly, Wooyi's taken a leave of ansence from Wikipedia and as WP Australian crime hasn't responded yet, I'm unsure of the status of the planned newsletter. MadMax 03:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy-marie,

I've just finished a rough draft for the first issue of the Crime Newsletter. I was only able to find one specific article, the peer review for John Martin Scripps, which related to British crime although I'd certainly appreciate your opinion if you'd like to look it over. Ideally, this would be written by numerous editors from each project and I only have the project talk pages to go by. MadMax 07:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]