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I know absolutely nothing about this subject but ended up with the [[Soghomon Tehlirian]] article on my watchlist due to unreverted vandalism. After the recent spate of bizarre IP edits there trying to note his first assassination, I've gone and copied text from this article to there, keeping the latter page's referencing style (I really don't care which ref style Tehlirian's page uses; I was just copying [[WP:CITEVAR|accepted practice]]). Any help (or other watchers) there would be appreciated. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 10:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I know absolutely nothing about this subject but ended up with the [[Soghomon Tehlirian]] article on my watchlist due to unreverted vandalism. After the recent spate of bizarre IP edits there trying to note his first assassination, I've gone and copied text from this article to there, keeping the latter page's referencing style (I really don't care which ref style Tehlirian's page uses; I was just copying [[WP:CITEVAR|accepted practice]]). Any help (or other watchers) there would be appreciated. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 10:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

== Requested move 10 June 2021 ==

{{requested move/dated|Assassination of Talaat Pasha}}

[[:Assassination of Talat Pasha]] → {{no redirect|Assassination of Talaat Pasha}} – Per [[WP:CONSUB]], the name of the pasha should match the title of his article in this sub-article's title. This move has been mooted before [[Talk:Assassination of Talat Pasha#Move request|here]] and [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Assassination of Talat Pasha/archive1#Reywas92|here]], but the article creator objects. I do not have an opinion on which spelling is best, only that article and sub-article ought to match. [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 00:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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Good articleAssassination of Talaat Pasha has been listed as one of the History good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You KnowOn this day... Article milestones
DateProcessResult
April 25, 2021Good article nomineeListed
April 30, 2021Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 23, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the assassination of Talat Pasha to avenge the Armenian Genocide resulted in "one of the most spectacular trials of the twentieth century"?
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 3, 2021.
Current status: Good article

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk13:03, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 13:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • / Article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced. Can't access Ihrig 2016, but can access Hosfeld 2005. On the question of neutrality, the article relates to a contentious topic, but appears reasonably written and grounded in sources. I had an initial concern about the relevance of German views in the background section, but from what I can see of the sources they themselves discuss these links, so taking educated AGF the sources relate it to the article topic. On hooks, I lean towards ALT0 and ALT2, as ALT1 is perhaps not as clear as it was not the police who acquitted the assassin. Am glad I don't have to figure out whether the various quotes meet MOS:LQ or not for DYK! CMD (talk) 12:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

To "assassination of Talaat Pasha", to match the biography article of Talaat Pasha. Pinging @Buidhe: as major contributor to the article. - Kevo327 (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are different ways of spelling the name, and the single "a" version has become more common in English language print sources, per NGRAMS[1] (t · c) buidhe 00:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
understandable and good reasoning, since the name is more common I've withdrawn my request. - Kevo327 (talk) 07:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: If you are right, you should start an RM at Talaat Pasha. The titles should not use different spellings. Srnec (talk) 02:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Assassination of Talat Pasha/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Guettarda (talk · contribs) 18:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC) This is a fascinating read, and something a knew nothing about. Guettarda (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

This is excellent. I have very little to add.

Talat Pasha's exile in Berlin

Other testimony on the genocide

  • Is Mr. Terzibashian's first name known?
    • No, I checked the original trial transcript and it's not stated. Same with the prosecutor, Gollnick, whose first name is not stated in any source.
  • The following section begins with "His wife Christine..." A new section should be more "stand alone".
    • Reworded, thank you!

General

  • I'm curious about the choice to refer to Adolf von Gordon as "Gordon" rather than "von Gordon"
  • Tessa Hofmann is linked twice in the body of the article, as is Carolyn Dean.
    • I feel like these mentions are too sparse and far apart so that the reader has likely forgotten who they were before getting to the second mention. (t · c) buidhe 01:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guettarda (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "coroner"

In the section Other testimony on the genocide, the term "coroner" is used. Is that an accurate translation of the position of the German official? "Coroner" is a specifically English law term, which has been picked up in Commonwealth countries and the US which have been influenced by English law. Is it appropriate to use that term when describing a German official, who may have different duties and powers than the English officer? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, Hi, thanks for your copyedits to the article. The cited source (Ihrig) says "coroner". The English translation of the transcript (a somewhat unofficial source) says he is Dr. Schmulinsky, a "Medical Advisor".[2] The original German source says "Zeuge Geheimer Sanitätsrat Dr. Schmulinsky aus Charlottenburg"[3] (t · c) buidhe 03:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have no German, so can't help with the translation, but I do know a German lawyer. I'll pass an inquiry on to him. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:07, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I know absolutely nothing about this subject but ended up with the Soghomon Tehlirian article on my watchlist due to unreverted vandalism. After the recent spate of bizarre IP edits there trying to note his first assassination, I've gone and copied text from this article to there, keeping the latter page's referencing style (I really don't care which ref style Tehlirian's page uses; I was just copying accepted practice). Any help (or other watchers) there would be appreciated. Graham87 10:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 June 2021

Assassination of Talat PashaAssassination of Talaat Pasha – Per WP:CONSUB, the name of the pasha should match the title of his article in this sub-article's title. This move has been mooted before here and here, but the article creator objects. I do not have an opinion on which spelling is best, only that article and sub-article ought to match. Srnec (talk) 00:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]