The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.‎

The result was no consensus to delete, default to keep. Sandstein (talk) 20:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of companies of Pakistan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This seems to be a catch all with very few blue links. Red links are a problem on Wikipedia because they invite editors to create articles. Pakistan has a population of 164,741,924 (July 2007 est.) and the list could not accommodate even a small amount of the companies which exist there. Wikipedia is a world site but notability concerns must be verified. Delete and merge blue linked companies if not listed elsewhere. -- BpEps - t@lk 19:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am withdrawing my nomination of this Afd in favour of a Move to List of major Pakistani companies as suggested by TallNapoleon and considering the paring of red links by DGG which had been a major concern to all involved. BpEps - t@lk 04:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I tried once for about a month to stop addition of non notable and non verifiable entries in the list, but it's too difficult to do that. Now it is more like a web directory, rather than an encyclopedic article. Either it should be deleted or Fully protected after removal of non notable and non verifiable entries. --SMS ^Talk 19:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete good example of something better covered by a category rather than a list. Nick Connolly (talk) 20:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I agree with nominator that red links are a problem, for the exact reason stated--- they invite editors to create blue links. In addition, Pakistan has a lot of companies, as might be expected for a nation of about 165 million people-- a little more than half the size of the United States. I hate to say delete, because business in Pakistan is a topic that should be covered by Wikipedia. On the other hand, the list violates so many policies-- not a directory, unmaintainable (due to the number of companies in Pakistan), and, rather than an indiscriminate list, a bunch of indiscriminate lists grouped into one place-- keep isn't possible. If someone were able to provide a Fortune 500 type list for Pakistani companies (with sublists), as calculated by a reliable source, that would be an acceptable article. Mandsford (talk) 20:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that "red links invite editors to create blue links" is a goal within Wikipedia and I certainly have no goal to go against that. My concern is that it is an invitation to create non-notable articles. That this list has been spammed with email and URL addresses is not a concern. My concern is that it is an invitation (and quite rightly if it is a List of companies in Pakistan) to add every (pvt) and trader without our reasonable concerns about notability. BpEps - t@lk 21:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Move. Propose changing to List of major Pakistani companies, and editing appropriately. This would ensure that the list is finite and notable. TallNapoleon (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse nomination as nominee of this Afd. BpEps - t@lk 21:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion there should be an article on Industries of Pakistan, and it shouldn't be a list, rather an encyclopedic article on the history of industry in the country, and current status of each of the industries(Oil, Heavy, Leather, Mining, Software, Telecom ... Industries) of Pakistan and it may list some big industry in each field. --SMS ^Talk 21:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about Economy of Pakistan? --NickPenguin_(contribs) 23:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Unmaintainable. Suited for a category, if there isn't one already. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 01:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• comment The list has gotten pretty out of hand. At this point its hard to tell if the companies on the list are even real companies or two guys in a back room building computers. Its taken time just to deal with the enormous linkspamming that takes place. Would prefer this as a category. I support deletion, but if it stays would just ask for help in setting criteria for inclusion. Montco (talk) 01:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete Whoa, maybe I should start a company in Pakistan, maybe I'd get a Wikipedia mention then! No, needs a category and probably even several subcategories. The Dominator^Talk_Edits 02:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought more about this and decided to change my vote, Keep, but shorten considerably, including only corporations that have received international press coverage. The Dominator^Talk_Edits 05:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and remove the red links. The criterion is that such lists are assumed to mean notable companies, and should either have articles accepted on WP, or clearly justify them. Come to think of it, the best thing to do at AfDs is to improve articles, so I removed the red links. There's more to do--some of the Pakistani divisions of major international companies were redlinked & i removed them & should probably be returned or redirected; some links are to international companies &I didn't check on the Pakistani presence or Pakistan-related information in the main article; some of the existing articles might be notable. But I think it will do now as a start. DGG (talk) 02:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But whats the purpose of this list, when there is already a category Category:Companies of Pakistan) for this purpose? --SMS ^Talk 06:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as there is already a category for this. [[Category:Companies of Pakistan]] ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I am against deleting this article as it provides my and my employees with information and names about companies listen in pakistan. I then google the name of the company for more inforamtion. It would be unwise to delete this article as pakistan has hit 7% growth on average in the past 3 years , with more growth to continue as goverment becomes more export orientated I Strongly believe this article shoould not be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasqaz (talk • contribs) 20:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC) — Thomasqaz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

So, you mean it's serving the purpose of a directory, very efficiently to you. --SMS ^Talk 03:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep it seems to fit in well with all the other articles in Category:Lists of companies by country. Any countries economic backbone is notable. Thanks to DGG for a RedLink cleanup. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 11:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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