Talk:Romani people
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"traditionally lived a nomadic, itinerant lifestyle" or "traditionally live"?
Given that there are still a huge number of Roma who live nomadically and itinerantly (if more often in motorhomes etc. than in horse-drawn vehicles these days), shouldn't it be "traditionally live"? As a people, they are far from abandoning this lifestyle. This doesn't seem to be a direct quote from any source either.
I will do this edit and anyone can feel free to revert it, but I would welcome discussion as to the reasoning etc. on this talk page (I won't protest, I'm just curious). Thanks 2A02:C7E:2F55:BF00:CF9E:46B1:519F:94BE (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- "As a people"!! No! It is wrong to generalise, many do not live this life style, they are modernised.129.127.204.94 (talk) 09:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of Roma today do not live nomadically or itinerantly. Opala300 (talk) 00:48, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- An overwhelming majority of the them also do no speak romani or call themselves roma. In fact many have adopted the national identities of the various countries they live in yet they still get counted when is convenient. I find it bizarre starting to solidify a roma identity at such a late state when so many of them have assimilate into their nationality unless we are speaking of those that still live separate life stiles from the nationalities they live among and speak a language that is distinct from the national language (it's not either or, they usually speak both). This reeks of identity politics 2A02:2F00:C10B:5A00:2D5F:AF0C:8F6A:6664 (talk) 08:29, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
Slovakia???
I doubt so, why this article telling you they comes from Slovakia if you have 15 other countries with massive gypsy oh sorry, romale population bigger than Slovakia? This is not correct information. 2A00:23C8:B15E:1F01:A55D:9914:7786:7F25 (talk) 06:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Repetition in first sentence
The first sentence previously read The Romani people, also known as the Roma (sg.: Rom), are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group who traditionally lived a nomadic, itinerant lifestyle.
However, Opala300 has since edited it to read The Romani people, also known as the Roma, Romani or Romany (sg.: Rom), are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group
(etc.). It's unclear to me how repeating the word "Roman(i/y)" three different times is in any way necessary or helpful, especially when the variant spellings of the word are already listed in a note. Zacwill (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
- Most people would likely not assume as you have that Romani or Romany would be common nouns for the Romani people. Romani is an adjective in the term “Romani people”. Many Romani people use the terms Romani/Romany and do not use the term Roma and vice versa. Opala300 (talk) 00:24, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
- The fact that the word "Romani" can be used either as a noun or as an adjective is explained in the Names section. I don't think we need to go into this in the first sentence as well. Also, your version makes it seem as though "Rom" is the singular form of "Romani", which is not correct. Zacwill (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Opala300: Can I ask that you actually engage with the points I've made here instead of mindlessly reverting my edits? Zacwill (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- That is assuming that people would understand that the adjective Romani can be directly used as a plural noun for the group, although this is usually not the case. Furthermore, when used as a noun, Romany is the common spelling. Many Romani people also strongly prefer the term Romany to Roma or do not use the term Roma at all, making the distinction particularly important. Opala300 (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- "Romany" as a noun has the plural form "Romanies", so the sentence should read
The Romani people, also known as Romanies
(etc.). But I still think that trying to fit all of this into the first sentence is a mistake. There is plenty of room in the rest of the article to discuss the nomenclature. Zacwill (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- "Romany" as a noun has the plural form "Romanies", so the sentence should read
- Whilst Romany is also used a plural noun, I appreciate that the plural noun "Romanies" is more fitting to norms of the English language. Please see the latest edit.
- Whereas Romani people who live outside the English-speaking world often use "Rom" as a singular noun and "Roma" as a plural noun, Romani people who live in the English-speaking world often use "Romany" as a singular noun and "Romanies" as a plural noun. Opala300 (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- That is assuming that people would understand that the adjective Romani can be directly used as a plural noun for the group, although this is usually not the case. Furthermore, when used as a noun, Romany is the common spelling. Many Romani people also strongly prefer the term Romany to Roma or do not use the term Roma at all, making the distinction particularly important. Opala300 (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Opala300: Can I ask that you actually engage with the points I've made here instead of mindlessly reverting my edits? Zacwill (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- Nonetheless, I have removed the spelling variant “Romani” to respect your point of view. Opala300 (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
- The fact that the word "Romani" can be used either as a noun or as an adjective is explained in the Names section. I don't think we need to go into this in the first sentence as well. Also, your version makes it seem as though "Rom" is the singular form of "Romani", which is not correct. Zacwill (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
Discrepancy about population centers
The text says that the communities are concentrated in European countries, but the map says the greatest populations are in the US and Brazil . Avi (talk) 02:35, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
- The text says that their most concentrated populations are believed to be in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, and Slovakia.
- This means that it is in these countries that they make up the highest percentages of the national populations. Opala300 (talk) 13:12, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
reference from chatGPT doesn't support the text
there's a reference from chatgpt (Beyond the Stereotypes: A review of Gypsies/Roma/Travellers and the Arts in Wales) which doesn't seem support the facts in the sentence using it a source. I'm also not sure it counts as a WP:RS; it's a research paper an employee of Arts Council Wales produced for them, and yet the only way I could learn that provenance is the author's copyediting services page on a professional org's website. ~2025-31247-43 (talk) 01:28, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
- Citations to that source and accompanying text were added by sockpuppet Opala300 in 1317658492 and 1317669440, as these were edits made in violation of a ban or block, I've WP:BANREVERTed them in Special:Diff/1320689798. Any of their numerous other edits may also be reverted. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2025 (UTC)