Talk:Paektu Mountain

Names

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Baekdu Mountain → Changbai MountainChangbai Mountain —

The article claims “Beakdu Mountain” to be the common name, but google:"Changbai Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 286,000, while google:"Baekdu Mountain" -Wikipedia -"Changbai Mountains" gets 35,900. Why is “Beakdu Mountain” the common name? ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 12:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 13:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose a move. This is an example par excellance of the weaknesses of trying to use Google to determine encyclopedic usage. Setting aside for a moment that Baekdu has multiple transliterations (e.g. "Baekdu," "Baekdusan," "Paekdu," "Paekdusan," "Paektu," "Paektusan") that are not given in the above results, Google does not weigh the relative importance of the topic under each name. To an English encyclopedic audience, Baekdu's status as Korea's highest mountain and its role in Korean history and culture give the Korean transliteration greater weight in quality English sources. Redirects and a bold mention of Changbai in the first line can solve any other issues. —  AjaxSmack  23:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to clarify my remarks about cultural weight above. I meant that the relative cultural weight influences English usage and that subsequently should determine Wikipedia usage. I wasn't advocating cultural interpretation by editors as a means of determining titles, i.e., I agree with you that we should go with reliable sources. —  AjaxSmack  17:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: That's right, but none of you presented "Baekdu" to be common with reliable sources, even though DandanxD presented that "Paektu" is a common name (not the sole, Changbai and Baitou are also common). ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 13:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reply That's right, but what's your concept of widely accepted names? i.e. How do you prove "Beakdu" to be a widely accepted name? Even in Google Scholar, Baitoushan is the most common name. Plus, that Baitoushan+"Baitou Mountain" hits >> that Baekdusan+"Baekdu Mountain" hits. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 12:31, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Most English encyclopedias and research documents use the name "Baekdu Mountain" *or* a variant of that name which includes 'Baitou Mountain', 'Paektusan', 'Paektu Mountain', etc. Have a read of the article for variants of the name Baekdu Mountain (백두산/白頭山). As an extra note, this is from the above courtesy of Kusunose - please remember to read the earlier discussions before posting:
  • UNESCO uses "Mount Paekdu" [1]
  • Gurdian uses "Mount Paekdu" [2]
  • Fotosearch uses "mt. baekdu" [3]
  • American University uses "Mount Paektu" or "Mt. Paektu" [4]
  • Encyclopædia Britannica uses "Mount Paektu" or "Paektu Mountain" www.britannica.com/search?query=paektu+&ct=&searchSubmit.x=11&searchSubmit.y=11
  • All States Flag uses "mount paektu" [5]" --DandanxD (talk) 13:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:
  • Your claim is challanging but false: Baitou Mountain is not a variant of Baekdu. However, both Baitou (white-head) and Changbai (long white) are variants of Shanggiyan Alin (white mountain). Baekdu is merely a Korean transcription of Baitou Mountain, thus not referential. Your claim that authorities uses the name Baekdu does not make sense:
    1. UNESCO and Encyclopedia Britannica uses "Mount Paekdu", but it's for show respect to North Koreans and Chinese Koreans, who uses the Chosŏn Kwahagwŏn or ISO11941 romanization. These Koreans, along with Manchus in China, considers Baitou Mountain to be a sacred mountain.
      It does not support the far-right South Korean nationalists, who claim Baitou Mountain to be a South Korean territory and use their new-created name "Baekdu". So your claim that those source support your "Baekdu" naming is fake, false and inappropriate.
    2. And what is Gurdian and Fotosearch anyway? They do not have enough notability.
      Like that, I may call it "Mount Yu Hai" in my home. Does it have any notability?
  • Baitou and Paekdu/Paektu may be a plausible name, but Paekdu/Paektu is not as common as Baitou, so I'm in favor of the name "Baitou Mountain".
  • Changbai is also plausible, I'm in favor of it, too. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 14:07, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(@DandanxD) My comment was that the name based on MR is more common than revised romanization and use of Mount or Mountain is better than Korean -san, using sites provided by another user. It was not an argument to uses a name derived from Korean over names derived from other languages. It was not a good list for that. For example, UNEXCO also uses Changbai[6] and some pages are not WP:RS. Back to WP:NCGN#Widely accepted names, Paektu/Baekdu does not satisfy #1 as Britannica and Columbia also uses Baitou or Changbai for China-related articles. I don't have time to research further at the moment. --Kusunose 19:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Feel the same. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 15:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. That's probably not for any of the discussants here to decide absent a clear consensus. That's why we have the WP:RM process.
  2. Baitou Mountain was not originally presented as an option and doesn't appear to have consensus. —  AjaxSmack  17:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Cleanup

Hi, I recently gave the article a once-over (Apr 2023), but there’s still a lot of work left.

I put request for updated info on upcoming eruption research.

Also the grammar in the geology and history sections is still spotty.

finally article is also currently a bit repetitive.

thanks to anyone that can help address these issues Toobigtokale (talk) 06:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of volcano

Can someone fix the part where it says that the two leading theories (hotspot and pacfific play) because it was alresdy found that its related to a section of the pacific plate which is in the mantle, and because of ut it also created the other volcanoes in east asia Pastanolli (talk) 10:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tekken

One of Tekken characters, Baek Dusan is named after the original hangul Korean name of this summit. Aminabzz (talk) 13:29, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

please also add to the page

that paektu is also the highest mountain in the korean peninsula ~2025-34824-83 (talk) 07:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

allikas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paektu_Mountain