Talk:Karabakh

Map

How is this map "Clearly POV" just because its from an Armenian source doesn't mean its POV. Artaxiad 08:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does. Get a map from a thrid-party source. I can create a map myself, place it at some Azerbaijanica.com and then upload here, would you agree to its inclusion? The maps should come from a reliable third party publication. Grandmaster 08:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An absolutely bogus claim, with a wave of hand at your own side's unreliability to appear neutral. Given your record, no one should expect more. Աշոտ (talk) 09:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Artsakh status wording

My apologies @Armeniangigachad, I accidentally hit the "enter" button before I could finish typing the edit summary. What I was trying to explain was that because Artsakh is a state unrecognised by any UN member-state currently, the wording "limited recognition" without distinction isn't accurate and may misinform readers regarding its international recognition. There was actually a discussion regarding this wording on the talk page of Artsakh, I'd advise you to have a look at that. Regards, – Olympian loquere 06:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Olympian, thank you for the constructive explanation! Best, – Աշոտ (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Antique part of History isnt explained well

Anthropological studies show that the current Artsakh (Karabakh) Armenians are the direct physical descendants of the indigenous population of the region.Following the modern consensus among western scholars concerning the origin of the Armenian people, they represent a fusion of the mostly Indo-European natives of the Armenian Plateau(including Artsakh), and the Hurrians of the southernmost Armenian Plateau. According to this theory, from earliest times the Armenian Plateau was inhabited by many ethnic groups. The ethnic character of Artsakh may thus have been originally more diverse than it is now. It is worth noting that Strabo described Armenia (which then included also Artsakh and Utik) in the 1st century BC as "monolingual",though this does not necessarily mean that its population consisted exclusively of ethnic Armenians.

According to the Encyclopædia Iranica, the proto-Armenians had settled as far north as the Kura River by the 7th century BC. In Robert Hewsen's view, until the 6th–5th centuries BC the proto-Armenians lived only in the western half of the Armenian Plateau (in areas between Cappadocia, the Tigris, the Euphrates, and Lake Van) and came to Artsakh and adjacent regions such as Syunik and Utiksomewhat later than the central parts of the Armenian Plateau (as late as the 2nd century BC, as a result of Artaxias I's conquests).While genetical studies claimed and proved that Artsakh also was part of the original proto-Armenian homeland, and that Armenians are the direct descendants of the peoples living in the region 7800 years ago. The conclusion from the studies is that also before the bronze age the population was at the very least mostly Armenian. Although little is known of the other people (except the Armenians) that lived in Artsakh and Utik prior to the putative 2nd-century BC where the region was part of Artaxiad Armenia, Hewsen argues that some names of those tribes (mentioned by Greek, Roman and Armenianauthors) demonstrate that a few of them were not Armenian, nor Indo-European, and that they assimilated into the local Armenians over time.

By medieval times, from at least the 9th century, the population of Artsakh had a strong Armenian national identity. Its people spoke a local Eastern Armenian dialect, the Artsakhian dialect (today known as the Karabakh dialect), which was mentioned by 7th-century grammarian Stepanos Syunetsi in his earliest record of the Armenian dialects․[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] 2A02:3035:E07:4869:9176:34D5:1478:2186 (talk) 16:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Olympian loquereI saw you replying to many others on this page, coulld you give your take on this and the other issue i raised?(Also the one withz "Calling the Seljuqs who settled there the ancestors of azerbaijanis" one" 93.200.103.101 (talk) 10:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofIran this comment hasnt been answered for almost an entire year now, so please answer it. 2A00:20:19:E270:A49B:934F:D959:A3B2 (talk) 00:15, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Этническая одонтология СССР (in Russian). Moscow: Nauka. 1979. p. 135.
  2. ^ "Eight Millennia of Matrilineal Genetic Continuity in the South Caucasus". Current Biology. June 29, 2017. Archived from the original on 2020-02-04. To shed light on the maternal genetic history of the region, we analyzed the complete mitochondrial genomes of 52 ancient skeletons from present-day Armenia and Artsakh spanning 7,800 years and combined this dataset with 206 mitochondrial genomes of modern Armenians. We also included previously published data of seven neighboring populations (n = 482). Coalescence-based analyses suggest that the population size in this region rapidly increased after the Last Glacial Maximum ca. 18 kya. We find that the lowest genetic distance in this dataset is between modern Armenians and the ancient individuals, as also reflected in both network analyses and discriminant analysis of principal components.
    [...]
    A total of 19 archaeological sites are represented, covering large parts of Armenia as well as Artsakh (Figure 1), and estimated to be between 300–7800 years old based on contextual dating of artifacts. This time span is accompanied by at least seven well-defined cultural transitions: Neolithic, Chalcolithic, Kura-Araxes, Trialeti-Vanadzor 2, Lchashen-Metsamor, Urartian and Armenian Classical/Medieval (Figure 1).
  3. ^ Hewsen, Robert H. "Ethno-History and the Armenian Influence upon the Caucasian Albanians" in Samuelian, Thomas J. (Ed.), Classical Armenian Culture. Influences and Creativity, Chico: 1982, pp. 27–40.
  4. ^ Haber, Marc; Mezzavilla, Massimo; Xue, Yali; Comas, David; Gasparini, Paolo; Zalloua, Pierre; Tyler-Smith, Chris (21 October 2015). "Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations". European Journal of Human Genetics. 24 (6): 931–936. doi:10.1038/ejhg.2015.206. PMC 4820045. PMID 26486470. Our tests suggest that Armenians had no significant mixture with other populations in their recent history and have thus been genetically isolated since the end of the Bronze Age, 3000 years ago.
  5. ^ Strabo. Geography, 11.14 Archived 2022-07-14 at the Wayback Machine.
  6. ^ Shnirel'man, Viktor Aleksandrovich (2003). Войны памяти: мифы, идентичность и политика в Закавказье [Memory Wars: Myths, Identity and Politics in Transcaucasia] (in Russian). Moscow: Akademkniga. pp. 22, 50. ISBN 5-94628-118-6.
  7. ^ Schmitt, R. (December 15, 1986). "ARMENIA and IRAN i. Armina, Achaemenid province". Encyclopædia Iranica. Vol. II, Fasc. 4. pp. 417–418. Archived from the original on 2022-07-11. Retrieved 2022-07-10.
  8. ^ Chahin, M. (2001). The kingdom of Armenia: a history (2nd ed.). Richmond: Curzon. p. 182. ISBN 978-0700714520.
  9. ^ Hewsen 2001, pp. 10, 58.
  10. ^ Hewsen 2001, pp. 85–86.

Calling the Seljuqs who settled there the ancestors of azerbaijanis

Azerbaijanis, as the article Origin of the Azerbaijanis shows arent just descendent from turks who once immigrated there, they also got a huge part of iranian and caucasian admixture, calling azerbaijanis direct decsendants of seljuqs, while disregarding the diverse mixing that brang forth the Azerbaijanis is a blantant oversimplification and could mislead the reader, I propose to have it say „one of the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis“ or something similar 2A02:3035:E07:4869:9176:34D5:1478:2186 (talk) 16:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranthis comment hasnt been answered for almost an entire year now, so please answer it. 2A00:20:19:E270:A49B:934F:D959:A3B2 (talk) 00:14, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2025

Change "the south of Armenia" to "southeast of Armenia" Change "T. karabachens" to "T. karabachensis" Change "as well the specific" to "as well as the specific" Change "toponymc" to "toponymic" Change "complexicity" to "complexity" Change "practise" to "practice" Change "Moslems" to "Muslims" BoloBoba (talk) 05:27, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I fixed the following typos:
  • "as well the specific" to "as well as the specific"
  • "toponymc" to "toponyms"
  • "complexicity" to "complexity"
  • "Moslems" to "Muslims"
I will leave the other proposed changes for other editors to evaluate. Day Creature (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Partly done: I've changed "T. karabachens" to "T. karabachensis" per the inline citations and "in the south of Armenia" to "in the southeast of Armenia" as reflected by the map (adds specificity and is likely uncontroversial). Electing to leave practise alone as British variant of English. — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 08:08, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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