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@Abhishek0831996: Can you explain why should we override Wikipedia:Neutral point of view if some sources say that? It's not making sense. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 19:28, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek, WP:NPOV is non-negotiable. Please don't re-add bias content in the article. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:54, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to disagree with the wording, however, it is supported by the high quality sources thus it should stay. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 07:47, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ZDRX: The WP:NPOV policy clearly says that the policy in non-negotiable. "Gandhi is remembered as the most powerful woman in the world during her tenure" is clearly a bias statement, it doesn't adhere a NPOV. So why should it remain the same? Is there a policy which overrides NPOV? (Shouldn't be possible per WP:NPOV itself). Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 07:58, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ZDRX: WP:NPOVHOW says: "Generally, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely because it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone." - Well, what did I do? I added two words: This makes the sentence more neutral and less bias, just as WP:NPOV was intended. I did not remove anything, I simply made the sentence more neutral. I suggest you self-revert your edit. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 08:22, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with that sentence. It concerns only her tenure. Yes you added "one of the", but that would mean there was some other woman who is deemed more powerful. Can you name who was that? THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 13:37, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how one can say that the sentence has nothing wrong with it, there is something wrong with it and I have been saying it from the start, it doesn't adhere NPOV and it's bias.

Some other women may be Margret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Shirley Chisholm, etc.

And you still haven't addressed the issue to WP:NPOV, "remembered as the most powerful woman in the world" is obviously bias and not adhering NPOV, and I don't know how you're not seeing that. Please do a self-revert. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 19:03, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources to describe those names as the "most powerful woman during her tenure"? THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 10:46, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ZDRX:

For Margret Thatcher: [1] [2] (Page 43) [3] (Page 329) - Not important here, but it's ironic that in the Wikipedia article Margaret Thatcher, it also says that she "was frequently referred to as the most powerful woman in the world". Goes on to show that the NPOV policy is not taken seriously at all by many.

For Golda Meir: [4] (Page 492) [5] (Page 201 gives wording of undeniable implications)

I understand that Shirley Chisolm wasn't really a great example, only that she was a US congresswoman around Indira's tenure, and she failed the Democratic election bid for presidency in 1972.

Can you now address the issue to WP:NPOV? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 21:05, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think we can simply say "one of the most powerful women"? Sources: "Indira Gandhi , one of the most powerful women in the world"[6] (p.58), "One of the world's most powerful women , the late Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi",[7] (p.262) and more. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree with this. The content proposed and the sources backing it up maintain WP:NPOV which solves this issue I'm bringing up. Definitely add it. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 20:16, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can change "Gandhi is remembered as the most powerful woman in the world during her tenure" to "Gandhi is remembered as one of the most powerful women" and replace the sources with the 2 sources provided by Abhishek0831996. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 03:35, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happily. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:43, 1 December 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I already asked, but will ask you once again to at least remove "during her tenure" because it is no longer relevant as our discussion took different approach. It is supported by the sources cited above. THEZDRX _{(User) | (Contact)} 06:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you purposefully left it out since you didn't add a full-stop there. And if you spotted that mistake then help me out there instead of bring it here again and again.

WP:BEBOLD: "Fix it yourself instead of just talking about it. In the time it takes to write about the problem, you could instead improve the encyclopedia. Wikipedia not only lets you add and edit articles: it wants you to do it".

But whatever, let's just get this over with. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 06:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should we really be using an infobox image that has clearly been put through an AI enhancing app? I know it's not strictly against policy, but it looks very awkward having an image that's entirely blurry except for Gandhi's face and that of the marine behind her. The original source isn't even that bad. ~2025-36886-78 (talk) 01:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to note, the page you linked is not policy. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 02:22, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes? I never said it was. That essay goes into more detail and quotes community discussions. It doesn't contradict WP:AIIMAGES, it still states enhanced AI images are more or less case-by-case. ~2025-36886-78 (talk) 02:47, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I know it's not strictly against policy".... Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 02:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, that page is "currently inactive and is retained for historical reference.". Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 02:50, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I specifically said it was not against policy, and linked to an essay outlining that. I've already linked to the actual policy anyway (which, again, doesn't contradict the essay), so it's irrelevant. ~2025-36886-78 (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saying "not against policy" and linking a page in that sentence implies that what you're linking is the "policy".

To what you're saying, WP:AIIMAGES says major AI enhancements to images are subjected to consensus. Looking at this page and the archives, I can see no consensus formed. So I'm gonna revert the image change.

I don't think it's relevant in this case, but I think we need to keep in mind that the specific policy you linked, WP:AIIMAGES, is in "the subject of a current discussion". So material in that policy may change. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:08, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm not gonna revert, I'm just gonna use the original image, the image before the AI enhancement. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4774அப்செ: See this discussion as you're the one who added that image of Indira. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:13, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does the subject have a middle name that warrants inclusion on the article? I am seeing "Priyadarshini" as a potential middle name for her online. If there are reliable sources attesting to this, it may be included. ~2026-98747-1 (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]