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Hello editors, I would like to raise a concern regarding the usage of the term "Great" in the title “Great Wall of China.” While the structure is undoubtedly impressive in scale, many historians such as Arthur Waldron and John Man have pointed out the massive human cost involved in its construction — including forced labor, deaths of countless workers, and its use as a political tool.

Would it be appropriate to contextualize this in the lead section, or consider a critical footnote explaining that the term "Great" is contested by modern scholarship?

Thank you. Robin Robin.0751 (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello editors, I would like to raise a concern regarding the usage of the term "Great" in the title “Great Wall of China.” While the structure is undoubtedly impressive in scale, many historians such as Arthur Waldron and John Man have pointed out the massive human cost involved in its construction — including forced labor, deaths of countless workers, and its use as a political tool.

Would it be appropriate to contextualize this in the lead section, or consider a critical footnote explaining that the term "Great" is contested by modern scholarship?

Thank you. -- Robin.0751 (talk) 18:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck are you talking about? "Great" typically is a description of a structure's or animal's size, not a praise for its morality. Forced labour has existed for most of human history, and probably will continue to exist until human extinction is achieved. Dimadick (talk) 21:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change "A 2012 report by the National Cultural Heritage Administration states that 22% of the Ming Great Wall has disappeared, while 1,961 km (1,219 mi) of wall have vanished.[65]" to "A 2012 report by the National Cultural Heritage Administration states that 22%, or 1,961 km (1,219 mi), of the Ming Great Wall has disappeared [65]" Obduck (talk) 15:37, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Day Creature (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]