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Mister Fantastic has been listed as the leader of Avengers and has also been included in the team roster as per the Avengers: Doomsday film and Matt Shakman's comments. It's still not clear if he'll be leader of Avengers or he'll only lead them for a mission without joining them. It can possibly be misinformation as the film isn't released yet. Even if the information is correct, isn't it too soon to add that in the article? Shouldn't we wait till the release of film before adding "in universe" information regarding it? 103.251.19.206 (talk) 16:54, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would support removing it here & at Draft talk:Reed Richards (Marvel Cinematic Universe); @Adamstom.97 has already removed it from the Doomsday article. @(a)nnihilation97 added it using this Forbes source which directly speculates on who is in the Avengers/leading the team, however, that runs into WP:FORBESCON. I replaced the Forbes article with the Variety article it quoted. That article states: "Reed was the most challenging role to cast. 'He goes from being the nerdy scientist who’s locked away in the lab, to the husband and the father who'd do anything to protect his family, to the guy who’s leading the Avengers,' Shakman says. 'I realized that the version we were building had to have all of those elements.'" Nothing else in the Variety article references the Avengers leadership so I don't think you can definitively give an end date for Wilson & a start date Richards as the team leader just based on that quote. It mostly seems like WP:SPECULATION that has a weak source trying to justify it. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I interpreted this as a reference to the comics / character in-general. If Reed becomes the official leader of the Avengers in Doomsday or Secret Wars, I doubt Marvel would want to talk about that now. Maybe he will and Shakman accidentally revealed that early, but we can't know that for sure. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those were my thoughts exactly. I think Shakman's wording is still partially ambiguous and we should not run with it as a definitive fact when it can be interpreted another way. — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs)22:38, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Pascal has put this matter to rest, clarifying in an Entertainment Weekly interview: "Matt was talking about a Reed Richards that, within the comics of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four are brought into the Avengers and Reed is commissioned to lead a mission, but that is different than what we're doing," the actor says. "So I think what Matt has said about Reed and the comic has been taken out of context." Just goes to show that we can't always take everything at face value, even from the trades. — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs)00:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is Pietro an Avenger?
In Age of Ultron, only Wanda became an Avenger after Clint told her she would be by walking out the door and fighting. If Pietro does become an Avenger, it's offscreen and unconfirmed. BlackandWhitePandas (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, he was never an avenger. Helping them for a few minutes does not mean they automatically become a member. If that were the case, then every single person in End Game would be listed as a "member". Gonnym (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackandWhitePandas, @Gonnym, This issue was solved in discussion, Pietro Maximoff to the roster. He has been included as member in Dan Abnett's Avengers: Everybody Wants To Rule The World (2015; tie-in of Avengers: Age of Ultron) and later in Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Avengers: Age of Ultron (2016). 103.251.19.137 (talk) 04:46, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I was unaware of that discussion. As for those comics, they are not listed at Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-in comics and I believe Rule the World is non-canon, while the Guidebook is just like any other guidebook released over the years from Marvel as a whole but does not appear to have any direct involved from Marvel Studios. — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs)05:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything being "solved" in that discussion. Also, in this case, we don't need outside material to help bridge any missing information. At no time whatsoever on screen before he died was he initiated as member. Unless the source says that Pietro was posthumously added to the team. Did those sources say that? Gonnym (talk) 07:58, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doomsday team additions
Apparently, a recent video at a convention has been circulating online (per this ref) showcasing portraits of the Avengers: Doomsday cast together. Some editors, including @(a)nnihilation97, have insisted on using this as justification that the likes of Loki and Shang-Chi are Avengers members because their actors' photos are shown alongside other Avengers cast members in the video. I have reverted annihilation three times now and given them adequate explanations and warnings, but they are not listening and blindly reverting. I have told them to discuss their concerns but they have yet to, so I am starting this discussion to gauge more perspectives on this matter. My argument is that it is WP:SYNTHESIS to state that these two characters will be Avengers members based solely on this video and some low-tier sites' interpretation. — Trailblazer101🔥 (discuss · contribs)16:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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