Talk:Australian Cattle Dog

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Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 22, 2010Good article nomineeListed
November 14, 2011Featured article candidatePromoted
July 20, 2024Featured article reviewDemoted
Current status: Former featured article

Article issues

There's several issues with the article that lead me to believe it wouldn't pass a featured article review - the use of self-published sources for many content claims, including life expectancy; and some guidebook/non-breed specific content on grooming.

I've updated the life expectancy to use data from a peer reviewed and independent study published this year, so that is no longer an issue. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently under the 'As pets' heading is content that goes against the WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK policy, specifically the grooming section and the training section. In addition the behaviour listed as natural Australian Cattle Dog behaviour is just generic dog behaviour that isn't breed specific.

I'm in favour of changing the two sections so they look like this:


Grooming Known as a "wash and wear" dog, the Australian Cattle Dog is not a year-round shedder but blows its coat once a year (twice in the case of intact females).[1]

Training Like other working breeds, the Australian Cattle Dog is intelligent and responsive; both of these traits can be an advantage in training where a structured, varied program is used, but can lead to unwanted outcomes if training is not consistent, or is repetitive and boring for the dog.[2] The Australian Cattle Dog is biddable, and responds well to training.[3]

References

  1. ^ Beauchamp (1997), pp. 67, 77
  2. ^ Schwartz (2009), pp. 78–102
  3. ^ Stockman (2002), p. 102

Traumnovelle (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genealogy Breed Chart Draft

Hi,

This weekend I've put this chart together thanks to information that was laying around and looking into also rendering illustrations in order for it to make a nice poster eventually. So yeah let me know if this tree makes any sense or of there are bits that are incorrect, happy to make it as good as possible. Seems like my hound is the "older type" that was kept for work out country that was deregistered as they started infusing with Dalmatians and Kelpies in the 30s.

Would you guys like to have this one up on the page once it's locked in?

Here is the graph itself that can be edited directly on draw.io https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p3ILiNEHqDLFLcUSm5Ww9UbB_Z5jmA9w/view?usp=sharing

Here is a picture of it that I exported https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EeJLDqWSwNrt90RvbpraHKos2bCU5Qx_/view?usp=sharing

Cheers! Guilbrynski (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to add an image it'd first need to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons with you releasing the image under a suitable licence. The image is currently a bit hard to follow and figure out what starts where, although I don't know what specifically to do to improve that. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
g'day mate, cheers for your response, that's helpful, will first work on readability of it, then will post it back see how y'go. Tada! 2405:6E00:492:7D8E:84BF:CBFA:D1BF:9F29 (talk) 21:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heya, here is my latest revision of this diagram, quoted all the sources that allowed us to put it together
Here (Public Hyperlink)
or
Here (Public Hyperlink Diagram)
I will leave it here for review and if nothing happens will post it on Saturday 24th of May 2025
Cheeios! Guilbrynski (talk) 05:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You'd need to crop the sources out for the article just so it fits properly. I'd say it is still not immediately clear where things are supposed to begin (maybe colours would help)? Traumnovelle (talk) 06:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New lineage diagram for review

About three months ago I posted here about my work tracing the origins of the Australian Cattle Dog. I’m now ready to share the result – a diagram that maps the breed’s true historical division, which I believe is often misunderstood.
While some sources (including popular videos) present "two types" of ACD using modern, inaccurate criteria, my research indicates the real distinction is between:
  1. The Bentley line – tracing directly to the original breeding at Bentley, NSW.
  2. The Bagust brothers’ line – developed independently in Sydney.
This also highlights the contribution of George Eliot, a figure almost entirely overlooked in Australian breed histories.
Here is the diagram on Commons:
A diagram showing the evolution of the breed called Australian Cattle Dog
I would welcome feedback on its accuracy, clarity, and potential use in improving the article.
Cheers! Nodocéphale (talk) 10:11, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally, you'd get all the facts, with sources, into the article first, and then illustrate them. It's hard to review the diagram without knowing the facts, even if we completely trust that you've got it right. Dicklyon (talk) 01:56, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]