Talk:2005 United States Grand Prix

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Tyre vs Tire

I know this has been discussed above, but for ease of reference here is why the article uses 'Tyre':

  • There are two possibilities here:
    • Use American English ('Tire'): The race was held in the United States.
    • Use British English ('Tyre'):F1 is an international championship, and almost all of the individuals and organisations involved in the controversy are European, Australian or Japanese. American racing vocabulary is quite different to European, and is not normally used in F1. There are original quotes in the article that use 'Tyre'.
  • You can make a case for using either variety, although to my mind the case for British English is stronger.
  • The relevant Wikipedia policy is WP:ENGVAR, which says that
"If an article has evolved using predominantly one variety, the whole article should conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic. In the early stages of writing an article, the variety chosen by the first major contributor to the article should be used, unless there is reason to change it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic."
  • The original version of this article used 'Tyre' (see here, as of 19 June 2005). 'Tire' first appeared on the 20th (see here) and was reverted back again later the same day, on the basis that F1 uses British English.
  • To a certain extent we've been going back and forth ever since. The original variety used was British English. The appropriate variety to use can be argued either way, but going by the rules we stick with the original and get on with improving other stuff instead! 4u1e (talk) 09:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


It doesn't matter that this article is about a European racing series. We are talking about the spelling of a small noun - NOT the racing series itself. It should be spelled "tire". Look at at any other article that happens to mentions the rubber road-hugging devices that fit on the wheels of automobiles and you will see they are spelled "tire" and not "tyre". Tnolley (talk) 12:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevent, for reasons already given. Original usage, consistency with other F1 articles, and the fact that very little involved other than the location has much to do with the USA all favor "tyre", rather like the above-mentioned NFL game at Wembley being fine using non-English English (I assume it does, although I've not looked). Riedquat (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Riedquat is correct. It's also not true that "any other article that happens to mentions the rubber road-hugging devices that fit on the wheels of automobiles" uses the spelling 'tires'. See Mini, for example. The Wembley NFL game is a hypothetical example - we didn't have an article on it last time I looked. 4u1e (talk) 15:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it should be "tire" because it's in the US. The articles about American soccer teams don't call them football, for the same reason - in the US it's soccer, rather than football. --AW (talk) 19:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And in the US they're American teams playing in an American league, with American players and American owners etc. This is all slightly irrelevant anyway, since the article started with UK spelling. See WP:ENGVAR. 4u1e (talk) 08:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"...rather like the above-mentioned NFL game at Wembley being fine using non-English English ..." - Riedquat.
What exactly is "non-English English"? I'd like to see an example of it.209.179.57.76 (talk) 23:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine Riedquat meant "non-British English". DH85868993 (talk) 09:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A few points:

  • I looked at that policy that was quoted, and either they were making up their own, or it has changed SIGNIFICANTLY. I see quite clearly "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation."
  • Wiki's main page on Tires/Tyres shows both spellings, yet uses Tire throughout.
  • Both main English pages of Micheline and Bridgestone use tire, with the only time the British spelling comes into play is when that region is specifically selected.
  • And the very bottom line is this: It is an American race that has been around for nearly 50 years before Formula One. A race might be on the Formula One circuit, but the races are hosted by countries. I'm quite sure there are going to be British articles about an American race that use the tyre spelling, as well as petrol, wind screen and so forth, but that's not a reason to change an article about an American race.
  • And as far as "continuity" goes:
    • Prior to this article (going back to 1965's Formula One running), and prior to subsequent articles that were "changed for continuity", there were 21 US Grand Prix race articles that used tire or tyre. 18 of them used tire, while 6 used tyre.

It should be tire - it's an American race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.45.115.10 (talk) 14:27, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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1914 International Grand Prize

I've just moved a reference from the lead that said that this was the lowest number of finishers in an International Grand Prix since the 1914 American Grand Prize. As stated, this is not true - the 1966 Monaco Grand Prix had only four finishers, and I think some other Monaco GPs had as few as five during the 1990s.

Was it intended to mean that it was the lowest number of finishers in an international GP in the States? If so, can I suggest that it should be reinstated somewhere in the body of the article, not in the lead, which is supposed to function as a summary of the whole article. The lead here is now very, very long compared to the body of the article. --4u1e (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is turn 13 such an issue

There is a lot of mention of turn 13, but there is no context for the reader to understand why this high-speed banked turn was an issue for the tires. Some background information would be helpful for those unfamiliar with F1 or the course. Closetsingle (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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