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Hotline needed on top of article to depression therapists and/or suicide prevention hotlines. We should add this since other browsers also do this, so it is normal that online encyclopaedia should be able to have this. There is also a chain of comments on the [[Talk:Suicide|talk]] page of the [[suicide]] article. <span class="nowrap"><span style="border:2px solid; font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><span style="background:#EE0000">[[User:Oshawott 12|<span style="color:#fff;">Oshawott 12</span>]] ==(</span>)== [[User talk:Oshawott 12|Talk to me!]]</span></span> 07:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC) |
Hotline needed on top of article to depression therapists and/or suicide prevention hotlines. We should add this since other browsers also do this, so it is normal that online encyclopaedia should be able to have this. There is also a chain of comments on the [[Talk:Suicide|talk]] page of the [[suicide]] article. <span class="nowrap"><span style="border:2px solid; font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><span style="background:#EE0000">[[User:Oshawott 12|<span style="color:#fff;">Oshawott 12</span>]] ==(</span>)== [[User talk:Oshawott 12|Talk to me!]]</span></span> 07:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC) |
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:Yes this kind of thing has been discussed at the suicide page a lot, (see its archives) and the community has consistently decided against it. It comes down to a [[WP:NOT]] thing. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 10:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC) |
:Yes this kind of thing has been discussed at the suicide page a lot, (see its archives (e.g [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=hotline&prefix=Talk%3ASuicide%2F&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search this search]) and the community has consistently decided against it. It comes down to a [[WP:NOT]] thing. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 10:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC) |
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Overly complicated
This is overly complicated for the lead "a population-attributable risk for suicide attempt of 28% for those with the disorder"
Plus it is too similar to the ref.https://books.google.ca/books?id=9jpsAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA254
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Edit request, 8 August 2018
"Depressive disorders are more common to observe in urban than in rural population and the prevalence is in groups with stronger socioeconomic factors i.e. homelessness."
As you are giving an example, you want "e.g." rather than "i.e.", and it should have a comma before it. 2.24.117.46 (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Fixed. Though, I've inserted a comma before and after "e.g." since the article is written in American English, not British. -- ChamithN (talk) 13:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Paraphrasing
It is perfectly reasonable to paraphrase "50 to 70%" to about 60% in the lead IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- What value does this add to change the numbers? As I've stated, saying 50-70% is what the source says and it makes the explanation no more complex or hard to understand and its being as honest, truthful and factual as possible. Also, I see no reason why you keen removing the fact that the 5-7% figure in the introduction is, as stated by the source, what "estimates suggest". Leaving it as is makes it sound as though the 5-7% is a straight up fact, when its not. Helper201 (talk) 07:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- We paraphrase content we do not use it verbatim. Your changes make it to similar to the source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's literally two extra words and correcting a figure, it would barely make a difference in terms of source similarity, except that it would make what is stated more factually accurate. When giving statistics we should be as accurate and specific as possible. This isn't just flowery language. Helper201 (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Not thrilled on the source of this. I'll look into it. For the record, I do not think ~60% and 50-70% are convertible. There is a range that is likely integral to the understanding of the range/uncertainty. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- The source that gives the 5-7% suggested estimate could also do with possibly being updated by another source, as these figures are cited from works published in 1998 and 2000, so the figures could be outdated and have changed since. Helper201 (talk) 08:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- We have a more recent book that says up to 8%[1]
- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:26, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- We also have a 2018 review that states "Half of all completed suicides are related to depressive and other mood disorders" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6068947/
- Updated to that. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- The source that gives the 5-7% suggested estimate could also do with possibly being updated by another source, as these figures are cited from works published in 1998 and 2000, so the figures could be outdated and have changed since. Helper201 (talk) 08:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think we should try to find a way to incorporate this 8% figure into the introduction. Helper201 (talk) 08:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Added Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- For the record, per WP:LIMITED, we can give the exact percentages. I don't like the idea of changing what sources state on matters such as that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:01, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Added Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think we should try to find a way to incorporate this 8% figure into the introduction. Helper201 (talk) 08:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Medical terms
Why is it that when editing a medical topic, such as this one, there are a multitude of medical terms that are underlined in red (indicating a spelling problem)? Even well known words such as neuroimaging, paralimbic, hypoactivity, etc. Why can't all these terms be added to the dictionary? CryMeAnOcean (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- You can add them to your dictionary easily. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, Casliber. I thought it was Wikipedia itself telling me that all these words are misspelled. CryMeAnOcean (talk) 07:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I use Google Chrome when editing and these words are all recognised. Maybe try a different browser. Waddie96 (talk) 11:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, Casliber. I thought it was Wikipedia itself telling me that all these words are misspelled. CryMeAnOcean (talk) 07:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Van Gogh?
It seems very confusing to have a large anchoring work of art by Van Gogh at the top of this page. They really have nothing to do with each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akteta (talk • contribs) 15:41, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- A lot of articles in the Emotions series have art as a description, not photos of real people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(mood) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_and_terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_(emotion) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CryMeAnOcean (talk • contribs) 19:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Possible information move
I seem to recall someone mentioning a while ago that a source from a section of the page depression (mood) may be referring to major depressive disorder, instead of depressive mood and so the information should be moved from there to here. I was wondering if a discussion could be held here on people's thoughts of whether this information should be moved over to this page or left where it is. The section is titled Gender identity and sexuality with the following citation - [1]. Hopefully analysis of the source will provide a consensus. It will also have to be determined where to integrate the information into this page without breaking this articles flow, if a move is determined to be the correct decision. I have little doubt there have been further studies done on this matter for which this one sentence could also be expanded upon, regardless of whether or not it should be moved, although I think that should be determined first.
References
- ^ Plöderl, M; Tremblay, P (2015). "Mental health of sexual minorities. A systematic review". International Review of Psychiatry (Abingdon, England). 27 (5): 367–85. doi:10.3109/09540261.2015.1083949. PMID 26552495.
--Helper201 (talk) 04:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it is not clear in the source, which uses the term "depression" in the review. The sense that it is used suggests strongly that it means MDD, but this is not explicitly stated. In which case it is safest to leave it where it is. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:11, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Add hotline
Hotline needed on top of article to depression therapists and/or suicide prevention hotlines. We should add this since other browsers also do this, so it is normal that online encyclopaedia should be able to have this. There is also a chain of comments on the talk page of the suicide article. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 07:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yes this kind of thing has been discussed at the suicide page a lot, (see its archives (e.g this search) and the community has consistently decided against it. It comes down to a WP:NOT thing. Jytdog (talk) 10:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC)