Talk:Cognitive behavioral therapy: Difference between revisions
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Another Idea - Categorisation? - [[User:Xgkkp|Xgkkp]] 20:56, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
Another Idea - Categorisation? - [[User:Xgkkp|Xgkkp]] 20:56, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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Why is there the alternative medicine thingy at the bottom? Cognitive therapy is pretty mainstream. [[User:Rosemaryamey|Rosemary Amey]] 20:25, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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:Good point. The list on the page [[Complementary and alternative medicine]] is of ''just'' alternative medicines it seems, and has none of the other main classes of psychology, and is not listed in the article it is trying to be an index of (see [[Terms and concepts in alternative medicine#Alternative medicine|alternative medicine]]). I'll remove the link in a couple of days if no-one objects, and try and find something to replace it with (I think people will agree it's better to have a "see also" section, but I'm not sure what to put in there at the moment) - [[User:Xgkkp|Xgkkp]] 20:45, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC) '' '''update:''' Someone has redirected [[Complementary and alternative medicine]] to the [[Alternative Medicine]] article, but the argue point still stands.'' |
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::Please feel free to look at [[Talk:Clinical depression]] for similar worries about these alternative medicine links that seem to be cropping up everywhere and discussion of whether CBT is an alternative medicine. Also, [[Clinical depression]] was added to [[:Category:Alternative medicine]] at one stage. I had to point out that ''Clinical depression'' is not an ''alternative medicine''. There are a couple of people campaigning to ensure that all medical subjects have an alternative viewpoint. --[[User:Bodnotbod|bodnotbod]] 21:53, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC) |
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:::Hi, thanks, unfortunately I have run into a couple of people who seem determined to have it one way, I am having a similar "debate" on the [[Talk:Alternative medicine]] page about cognitive therapy having crept on there. I think the general consensus seems to be that this link does not belong, so I shall remove it now and see how it goes from there. - [[User:Xgkkp|Xgkkp]] 22:47, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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::::Indeed, CBT is everything except "alternative" medicine. Perhaps more than any other theoretical approach, CBT has been studied in-depth and has a significant number of adherents. Calling CBT alternative is like calling an ultrasound alternative. |
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:::::This is solved now, I removed the link from this page and also (after many battles) got it removed from the list of alternative medicines on the alternative medicines page! - [[User:Xgkkp|Xgkkp]] 22:51, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 20:16, 10 September 2004
Rational Emotive Therapy
Cognitive therapy is broken down into many branches. Of two of those, Beck and Ellis, Ellis has his Rational Emotive Therapy and Beck has his Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is redirected here, but this page doesn't give much information about it.
I think some of these need to be seperated out, because I can't find information on Beck's therapy in itself.
Terminology
I have seen this kind of therapy referred to as REBT (Rational-Emotive Behavioural Therapy) and RET (Rational-Emotive Therapy); I initially tried searching using 'REBT' and failed to find anything, only finding this later after trying 'therapy'. It would be nice to include these terms in the article (or perhaps put redirects to it; I'm new to Wikipedia so I don't know what's best) so it can be found via those names.
- I'm not sure on the guidelines for redirecting acronyms, best thing I think would be to ask and then do it. Or just add a bit in the introduction mentioning the other names. Are they exactly the same? - Xgkkp 20:55, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- The thing that concerns me is that CBT and CT are lumped together as somehow being one in the same, which they are not. CT, which is what Beck devised, is slightly different than CBT, a more recent innovation. REBT, on the other hand, has numerous things in common with CBT and CT, but also differs somewhat. Namely, the theorist who developed it. Without getting too divisive, RET and REBT are also slightly different. It would be beneficial, in an academic sense, to at least include an explanation of how they differ, and discuss how these differences came about. At its most primitive, CBT includes elements of behavioral modification. That's also how RET and REBT differ, if memory serves. I'll end my rambling now, except to say that it's rare to find a Beck-centric clinician that employs straightup CT. Most use CBT. And studies involving the efficacy of cognitive approaches for the treatment of depression typically examine CBT.
Article Flow?
I found it difficult to read this article, it reads like many short paragraphs stuck together without any sense of flow or direction. I don't think that it could be easily solved without a complete re-write though, something that I'm certainly not knowledgeble enough about the subject to do.
Perhaps it should be changed to more resemble the style of the Clinical depression page, given how the two are linked - Xgkkp 01:30, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Another Idea - Categorisation? - Xgkkp 20:56, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)