Talk:Georgia (country)

Former good article nomineeGeorgia (country) was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Kura-Araxes from Hittite ??

The following sentence is highly confusing in its current form:

The Kura-Araxes, Trialeti, and Colchian cultures coincided with the development of proto-Kartvelian tribes that may have come from Anatolia during the expansion of the Hittite Empire, including the Mushki, Laz, and Byzeres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.83.208.227 (talk) 09:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not Russian occupied territories.

The Situation Abkhazia and South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, citing ethnic distinctiveness, historical grievances, and alleged oppression by Georgia. They argue they have the right to self-determination, a principle recognized in international law (e.g., UN Charter Article 1(2)). They see themselves as free peoples resisting Georgian control, especially after violent conflicts in 1991-1993 (Abkhazia) and 1991-1992 (South Ossetia), which they claim were defensive struggles against Georgian aggression. Russia’s support—military, economic, and political—bolsters their de facto independence, and they point to their functioning governments, elections, and local institutions as evidence of statehood. Antoni.leonidis (talk) 16:33, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What they claim is one thing but how they are seen by much of international community very different story. For example, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Russia in reality maintains "direct control" over these supposed "independent" republics. I think this court is more reliable source than separatist "officials" who are responsible for ethnic cleansing.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Georgians carried out ethnic cleansing from 1990 until the independence of these regions. It's funny how this page it's totally under control of uneducated wester morons….. RIP Wikipedia Antoni.leonidis (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, we are in an encyclopedic environment with recognized standards established by best practices and the community. Please avoid projecting your worldview through insults and trying to apply your political views into academic narrative. Thank you. --AlexandreAssatiani (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AI additions

Will be reviewing multiple edits to see how many are produced by Large language model. This may result in the removal and or restoration of previous material. WP:RSCHATGPT .... Addition after original post - After seeing this edit warning tag I'm concerned about sources as well.Moxy🍁 19:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moxy. I've written about Georgia on Wikipedia for almost 20 years. Maybe I've used some LLM for proper turn of phrases in an encyclopedic manner, but the previous versions have been absolutely disastrous in terms of information. They had been the topic of a lot of criticism in the back and I believe my work in the past couple of weeks to update and rewrite some parts of this article did a lot of good for this article in particular. I'd invite you to give me some time to rephrase the content. I saw how you reverted the Georgian language article to its oudated and poor past versions, and that's more than unfortunate already but I understand the policy and for the sake of academia, give me some time to re-hash some of the work that might have been produced using LLMs. Thank you, --AlexandreAssatiani (talk) 20:05, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just the chatbot...... It's also the sources being used by chatbot. Will be asking Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup for help here. Also concerned that your indicating you have multiple accounts?Moxy🍁 20:11, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what any of this means. Where did I mention I had multiple accounts? --AlexandreAssatiani (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mention having edited for almost 20 years, but this account was only created 8 years ago, thus the confusion. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:15, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, did you exclusively use LLMs to reword existing sentences you had written (and researched) yourself, or did you also rely on them to produce new content? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:57, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll explain my process, which I've done for the better part of the last two decades. When I approach an article's section, I do all the research for that section separately. I create bullet points based on sources I find. I try to coalesce together as much information, whether relevant or not, into that research on that particular section, based on all the sources I've found (be it online or in books). And once that's done, I write in a proper English. I found my style a bit too detailed recently and feared it wasn't good quality for Wikipedia and dropped those paragraphs into an LLM for improvement. I invite you to check my writing process in User:AlexandreAssatiani/sandbox where I am still in the research phase of that article and all you can see are bullet points for the sections. --AlexandreAssatiani (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I should say that for the most the changes made by @AlexandreAssatiani in the last few weeks appear to be an improvement. The article indeed didn't cover a lot of important developments and gave undue weight to events that weren't that significant. I've thanked him for several edits.
What concerns me is that LLMs are infamous for producing content that *appears* to be alright but in fact contains hallucinations. If you use LLMs, you're responsible for checking all the sources and reviewing the output. To take a specific example, @AlexandreAssatiani added this passage As of mid-2025, Georgia is widely seen as experiencing a profound crisis of legitimacy. The concentration of political and economic power, international isolation, and sharp polarization have cast uncertainty over the country’s democratic trajectory and foreign policy orientation. without any sources. This is very similar to a LLM-generated summary - we know that these models love to summarise their answers. If this was indeed LLM-generated, this is exactly what should have been removed. Alaexis¿question? 20:16, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Going to wait on the outcome of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:JoseyWales019 creating AI-generated mainspace articles before reviewing all the other articles that may be affected. Moxy🍁 20:39, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not really sure why you'd want to do that -- the discussion there is over whether someone entirely different should be banned, not whether LLM content should be reviewed. I'm pretty sure nobody there thinks it shouldn't. Gnomingstuff (talk) 22:42, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm wondering about the articles and drafts they've generated i.e Vaziani (Kvemo Kartli). Looking to see if the community decides these types of articles should be sent for deletion.... or other outcome. If there is another community decision you can show us that would be great. Moxy🍁 22:56, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CHATGPT is the closest we have to consensus. Gnomingstuff (talk) 23:33, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, there are plenty of issues just right off the bat. In just 10 minutes or so, I've already noticed a few more:
  • Alcohol consumption and dietary risks, including high salt and low fruit/vegetable intake, also contribute to a growing burden of preventable disease. Respiratory diseases, especially among children and the elderly, are linked to air pollution, particularly in urban areas. Accidental poisonings, industrial and pesticide-related exposure, and inadequate water quality infrastructure in some regions remain under-addressed public health concerns. is both irrelevant to the subject of Georgia, and is editorializing -- "under-addressed" according to whom?
  • Life expectancy in Georgia was approximately 74.5 years in 2023, with higher rates for women (around 78 years) than for men (approximately 71 years) -- The numbers given in the source are 74 years, 79 years, and 70 years respectively.
Gnomingstuff (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at your first quoted content, it isn't irrelevant, even though it doesn't say "in Georgia" in every sentence. Without that, of course, each individual sentence looks like a truism unrelated to Georgia, but in the context it was in, it seemed clear to me that it was conveying the most significant threats to health in Georgia.
On the other hand, not only does that second bit not match what its own source says, but life expectancy isn't a rate. Largoplazo (talk) 01:34, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given above this should be fully reverted, including text changes made by llms as well as that with llm sources. CMD (talk) 02:30, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, and it is obvious that the user is using LLM as well for replies. They claimed that they have been editing for "almost 20 years", but the account was created in 2017. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:46, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not using LLMs for replies, what are we doing over here. I was an editor on French Wikipedia since 2007 before slowly emigrating to the English one because of evolving language skills. --AlexandreAssatiani (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But your French Wikipedia account also indicates having been created in 2017 (Special:CentralAuth/AlexandreAssatiani)? I am very confused. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:23, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That may be a SUL issue, the current account claims the contributions of the fr.wiki account Alexandre, which edited from 2007 to 2013. Multiple accounts, but not a unique occurrence. CMD (talk) 02:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the article to what I believe is prior to any AI edits..... That being noted there are definitely some good additions that should be reviewed.... and perhaps re-implemented. My main concern is sourcing versus the wording.... as in do the sources actually convey what is being presented in prose text.Moxy🍁 13:37, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Authoritarianism in current government

Would it be proper to label Georgia as at least currently having an authoritarian government under Georgian Dream?

The 2024 parliamentary election was widely accused of being fraudulent at the hands of GD, most opposition MPs have been terminated from their positions (with only one "true" opposition party that's not controlled/aligned with GD), the government frequently arrests political opponents and protestors as well as using heavy surveillance and police brutality against them, and the 2024 presidential election process was changed from a popular vote to an electoral college (who are appointed by people allied with Georgian Dream). This, coupled with radically authoritarian rhetoric from the Prime Minister and President, as well as general reactions from both Georgian citizens and the governments of other countries suggest that Georgia is currently under an authoritarian government, at least in my eyes. Ye9CYNMD (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would definitely make sense to add this with attribution. Alaexis¿question? 09:55, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would not make sense to add this attribution, even if it is argued that there is process of authoritarian transformation and there are authoritarian tendencies, the process is still ongoing, Georgia still has quite strong opposition parties (actually they themselves boycotted the parliament and asked to terminate their seats because of rigged elections accusations), freedom of expression (there are multiple explicitly and radically anti-government TV channels like TV Pirveli, Formula, Mtavari Arkhi, and etc), assembly (there are consistent daily protests in front of parliament, while there are incidents the protests are still allowed to go on and not broken up every day) and such which are not present in countries like Russia, China and etc. I don' think the process can be conclusively assessed as of right now and Wikipedia should not risk applying labels in advance, it should not label the country as authoritarian when it is not entirely conclusive as in case of China, Russia and such countries (actually, check Hungary for example, it is similar to Georgia and is not labeled as authoritarian in infobox). Also, please take in mind that Georgia was never a full democracy but only a hybrid democracy, so many things which you have listed have been going on for decades actually. 103.208.231.149 (talk) 13:35, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Georgia is definitely freer than China or Russia.
Actually we already mention the authoritarian trend in Georgia_(country)#Government_and_politics, I think it's sufficient for now. Alaexis¿question? 20:15, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Venezuela continues to have some political parties (that aren't the PSUV's satellite parties/controlled "opposition") that are fully against the government, yet it is still (rightfully) attributed as being under an authoritarian dictatorship (obviously Venezuela is still "worse" and has been under one for at the very least a decade now, but the point still stands.
Georgia being an unstable democracy for decades doesn't change the fact that there has been rapid autocratization within the past few years. Anti-government channels have still face pressure from the ruling party into silence. One of the channels you mentioned, Mtavari Arkhi, shut down in May (and even then, apparently had only been airing TV shows since February until May), and while it is officially listed as a "financial crisis", one of its main investors, Nika Gvaramia, has been imprisoned since June for opposition to the government. Ye9CYNMD (talk) 05:42, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ye9CYNMD, what exactly do you propose to add to this article? As I've written above, we already mention this trend. Alaexis¿question? 06:11, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Russian user used Russian sources to change whole conflict narrative of russo georgian war and other important details. and AI written

  • What I think should be changed (include citations):
  • Why it should be changed:


212.58.120.136 (talk) 07:07, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done for now: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. PK650 (talk) 09:59, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2026

i wanna change the population of Georgia in 2025 data 


only once please Kkusho (talk) 08:25, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Theeverywhereperson talk here 10:00, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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