Talk:Leelah Alcorn

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DateProcessResult
January 1, 2015Articles for deletionSpeedily kept
October 27, 2015Good article nomineeListed
June 23, 2017Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 20, 2015.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that some commentators credit Leelah Alcorn with inspiring "a flashpoint for transgender progress in 2014"?
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Deadname 2

I think for respect to the mother and the family (ct. from the mother: "My sweet 16-year-old son, Joshua Ryan Alcorn" his original name should be shown at the beginning near the birth date and the other name (as "born as Joshua Ryan Alcorn"). Legally speaking he never changed his name on his documents with his parents consent and he was considered a boy until his death. The fact that someone doesn't like it doesn't change the reality and the original name should be there at the beginning of the page as it is with other categories of people who change names or have nicknames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.39.220.187 (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't do things "out of respect". The sources says that Leelah identified as female and that's what we go by. We're certainly not going to deadname her and use the wrong pronouns because her family couldn't accept her. That's for them to deal with. We only go by what the sources say. freshacconci (✉) 18:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See also MOS:GENDERID, our guideline on this subject. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What sources? 170.39.242.46 (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, her suicide note is referenced as a source, so I'm assuming that that would probably be source enough. Most sources would have her identifying as female, any that identify her as male would just most likely be considered less reputable. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, I should like to know who the "we" is that you keep referring to. Presumably, you mean "I", rather than "we". Secondly, it's abundantly obvious that you don't do things out of "respect". How about doing things out of "fact" then? The fact is that his mother referred to him by his legally correct name and gender, and her statement should not be changed simply because people like you find it distasteful and opposed to the agenda you're trying to push. I suggest that the mother's censored/fabricated statement be restored to its original wording. 86.14.43.73 (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
politely stfu lol. Out of fact she was trans. 199.168.95.151 (talk) 11:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A. How about you reply to the correct person next time B. By facts she was trans, take your bigotry elsewhere please. If you don't enjoy the reality that is trans people existing, may I suggest you seek therapy? RaptorGirl97 (talk) 11:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also to add, it would seem the one with the agenda is you. Trans people exist and have existed, that isn't up for debate. So if you want to start using facts, anytime would actually be amazing! Until then maybe consider why you chose to respond with an IP address... that speaks volumes. Stand by what you say and take accountability for you antiquated beliefs instead of cowering behind anonymity. Do something of value with your life that isn't denigrating trans youth that lost their lives to suicide. Do better. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 11:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her parents are a big part of the reason she killed herself... they don't deserve any respect in that regard. RaptorGirl97 (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"I think for respect to the mother" Why would we respect an asshole and abusive mother, instead of the dead woman? Dimadick (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation of parents

The article states "Carla Alcorn responded to such criticism in an interview with CNN, stating "we loved [her] unconditionally. We loved [her] no matter what. I loved my [daughter]. People need to know that I loved [her]. [She] was a good kid, a good [girl].", and later the father is quoted similarly as well. I think this is misleading. I agree that, elsewhere in the article, Leelah should be referred to using the right pronouns. But in the context of quoting the parents' reactions, it is pretty important that they were constantly misgendering her. Even the father's professed desire not to be embroiled in a political storm is marked by the political act of misgendering his daughter. My suggestion would be to actually quote them without correcting them, as their choice of words is a vital part of their reaction. 2A02:A472:7E2A:0:E185:8363:EE7F:59E8 (talk) 07:19, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sensible point. I will make the changes. — HTGS (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. I should add, I think the quote from the parents are probably too many, especially as they get a bit repetitive. Probably worth summarising some of them. — HTGS (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Does anybody else think the article should be moved back, per WP:SINGLEEVENT? I personally would prefer Death of Leelah Alcorn, as I think this more broadly points at the circumstances following and preceding her death, but I understand that, per WP:DEATHS, it may be preferable at Suicide of Leelah Alcorn. — HTGS (talk) 00:55, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Leelah Alcorn (version 2) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 19 § v2²+1 until a consensus is reached. consarn (talck) (contirbuton s) 19:03, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]