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I began compiling a list for myself of Internet Archive resources for musical theatre, and then realized that this could benefit the project. I've been WP:BOLD and moved my compiled list to Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Internet Archive. Obviously, the IA has more resources than just these and project members can feel free to add more sources. Hopefully other project members will find this useful. If project member don't already have an IA account, I suggest signing up. It's free and the majority of the resources in IA can be checked out at no charge. It's a great online library. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Internet Archive has become a fantastic resource. Thanks for adding the list! The IA also has the musical score to lots of shows. Does it have a lot of scripts to musicals? Is there a list of them? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't gathered those, but feel free to add materials/sections to the page as you see fit. This is meant to be a resource to the project, so whatever seems useful to you will probably be useful to someone else. I encourage everyone to add materials if they think they could be useful in expanding existing articles or creating new ones.4meter4 (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone, I have been contributing to this draft and I am super keen for it to go live, as it really deserves its own page (some nods to this stage production of Smash are mentioned in the TV series page), can you help? Musicalge3k5 (talk) 23:16, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Musicalge3k5 It seems a bit early for this as the show will not premiere until March. I don't think this should go live until after it has had its premiere per WP:TOOSOON/WP:CRYSTAL. Generally we don't have pages go live in the performing arts until after a work has been reviewed. The current sources are all about project development on the pre-production end. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:41, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 4meter4 per WP:CRYSTAL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 and @Ssilvers thank you so much for the advice. I will hold off until then and hopefully will also find some more information to add to the page in the meantime. :) Musicalge3k5 (talk) 23:33, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all, I've started a discussion on the naming conventions of articles that affect this WikiProject here. I'd love if people could get involved and add their thoughts/findings. – Meena • 17:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Someone recently added a hatnote to the Frozen (musical) article referring to a play called frozen. I deleted it, as the title of the musical article is not ambiguous. Another editor has suggested that musicals articles should have a hatnote referring to their film versions. I disagree and argue against that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frozen_(musical)#Frozen_play_hatnote. Please comment either way at the talk page here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:RossyAmbarsari has been adding Chita Awards to the long lists of awards noted at the end of musical theatre articles. See their contributions here. I do not think this is appropriate, as the lists of musical theatre awards are already too long, containing such relatively minor awards as Critics' Circle. The choreographers' own articles can, of course, mention their Chita awards. What do others think? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Going by the way WP:FILM handles such things, I'd argue that any award that doesn't have its own article (as a way of establishing its significance) likely shouldn't be mentioned. DonIago (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The do have an article, but the awards apply only to dance and choreography, which are not, IMO, significant enough for the musicals' main article, but should be mentioned on the choreographers' article. IMO, it would not be encyclopedic for the musical theatre articles' awards section to go on and on with every award related in any way to the musical. IMO they already take up too much space at the bottom of articles. If someone wants a "complete" list of awards, one could write a subarticle per WP:SUMMARY. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's worth fussing over given we have a wikipedia page on the award. The awards get coverage in Playbill, Broadwayworld.com, etc. which are widely read. They do meet our notability guidelines. Another line in an awards table hardly seems disruptive on the musical pages. There aren't so many theatre awards at present that a split off page is needed, but maybe someday we will get there with certain shows. To my mind it isn't worth constantly policing the awards tables to remove awards that have stand alone articles. It's only likely to invite edit warring or wack-a-mole type editing. I'd just leave them if someone added them, but not go out of my way to add them myself.4meter4 (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Chita Awards shouldn't be removed from a musical's main article. Also considering that choreography are a significant part of many musicals, and they're associated with the "classic" version of some musicals (for example West Side Story, musicals by Bob Fosse & Jerome Robbins etc.) RossyAmbarsari (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Was about to create an article for the musical version of Smash but see there is already a draft here - Draft:Smash (musical). I attempted to move it to mainspace and unable to because of the current redirect. There seems to be a backlog. Anyone able to expediate this? A major new musical on Broadway should have its own page. Mark E (talk) 11:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mark E we discussed this earlier as a project. Originally we talked about moving this in March, but I didn't realize at the time it was in a preview stage. Technically the show isn't out yet. It's in previews and doesn't officially premiere until Thursday, April 10, 2025. The New York critics won't write on the show until the evening of April 10/ day of April 11 into the weekend following. Our practice as a project is to wait until shows have been reviewed before allowing them to move to main space along the lines of WP:NEVENT/WP:CRYSTAL policy. Otherwise the article would mainly be built from press releases which isn't good practice. We should move it to main space on April 11, 2025 when we can add independent reviews of the production, and simultaneously put it up for a WP:DYK. If we move it to main space now the sourcing probably would get skewered as non-independent under WP:DYKCRIT, and could get taken to WP:AFD. It's better to wait until we get some solid critical reviews before moving this to main space. I'd like to see the musical get featured on the main page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:34, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz Would you be willing to move Draft:Smash (musical) to main space for the project on April 11? I know at that point it will have independent critical reviews in The New York Times, The New York Tribune, and Playbill among other publications and WP:SIGCOV/WP:CRYSTAL won't be an issue. There will be lots of reviews published on that day in the national press.4meter4 (talk) 20:00, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 4meter4's recommendation. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Im inclined to disagree that a musical in previews doesn't warrant it's own page, just from the side of a consumer of the material. I'm looking for cast information and musical numbers and background information on development. Smash has had a long road to Broadway and so there is plenty of content available to source.

Just some examples, - Just in Time (musical) has a page and hasn't started previews yet. The Greatest Showman (musical) has a page and won't premiere until next year.

If I'm being honest, if there wasn't already a draft waiting to go, I was about to create the article as it meets notability standards for a page NOW, I honestly see no reason to wait any further. Daily page views for the TV show article have doubled since the show began previews, its obvious there are many people looking for information on the musical. Mark E (talk) 11:38, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]