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Hrkljuš (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fictional game related to former Yugoslavia, major WP:GNG issues. Very poorly referenced - current two sources are of dubious reliability and relevance (one of them is a review of a video game that presumably was inspired by this concept); my BEFORE fails to find anything substantial. It has articles in several languages related to that region, but they are as weak or weaker than what we have. If sources exist, they are probably not in English :( There is a chance that the aforementioned video game would be notable, and if so, this could be rewritten - but again, I don't expect this game would have reviews in English. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Games, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, North Macedonia, Serbia, and Slovenia. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It's hard to parse non-English sources. But this (unreliable) site[1] appears to link to two reliable sources about the Commodore 64 game. I can't seem to click to them, but I think these might be them: [2][3]. I see this non-English source for the sketch comedy show.[4] I'm not sure that it qualifies as WP:SIGCOV, but we usually find a way to preserve early computer games where they can be verified. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Merge to Top lista nadrealista per WP:ATD. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:39, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  On the off chance this can be saved/rewritten from the video game perspective, I've added the relevant delsort list. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:50, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Top lista nadrealista since this is where the idea originated. Offshoots section looks appropriate. --Tone 18:01, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:50, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Universe Croatia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per source assessment table here, none of the sources have demonstrated WP:GNG notability of this subject.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Bri

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://theperfectmiss.com/miss-universe-croatia-2024-zrinka-coric/	Fansite, impossible to determine true independence	SPS fansite is presumed non-reliable		✘ No
https://www.cromoda.com/ovo-je-andrea-erjavec-miss-universe-hrvatske-2023	~ Probably independent media, published by "CMD Media" with what appears to be a legitimate physical address in Zagreb.	~ Difficult to assess reliability of "online fashion portal"; article referenced is unsigned by any author.	~ The source discusses one year's event directly but with light detail.	~ Partial
https://www.jutarnji.hr/scena/domace-zvijezde/arijana-podgajski-19-je-nova-miss-universe-hrvatske-pogledajte-veliku-fotogaleriju-s-prestiznog-natjecanja-15201330	Jutarnji list is legitimate medium	Presumed reliable	Photos and light bios of some contestants in caption format; no significant detail wrt notability of the contest.	✘ No
http://www.croatiaweek.com/photo-miss-universe-croatia-2017-crownedcrowned/	Presumed independent online media	Presumed reliable online media	Merely photos and captions, max 8 sentences. No significant detail wrt notability.	✘ No
https://tkop.org/2016/04/15/barbara-filipovic-miss-universe-croatia-2016/	Fansite, impossible to determine true independence	SPS fansite is presumed non-reliable (see consensus at Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Sources)		✘ No
http://www.index.hr/xmag/clanak/miss-universe-2010-lana-obad-u-las-vegasu-pokazala-isklesano-tijelo/506831.aspx	Media source presumed to be independent.	~ Index.hr "online tabloid" not a first choice for encyclopedic reliability.	Four sentences about the pageant, three sentences about the country's contestant's "chiseled body". No significance wrt notability of the pageant.	✘ No
https://www.croatiaweek.com/miss-universe-croatia-breaks-arm-runner-up-off-to-vegas/	Presumed independent online media	Presumed reliable online media	Tiny article about one contestant replacing another due to injury. No significance wrt notability.	✘ No
https://thegreatpageantcommunity.com/2016/03/18/miss-universe-croatia-2016-meet-contestants/	Fansite, impossible to determine independence	SPS fansite presumed non reliable		✘ No
Miss Universe Croatia instagram (source #7, #9 through 29, and #31 through 49)	Org's own social media about the pageant they own	Social media presumed reliable for WP:ABOUTSELF statements such as factual note of year's pageant winners.	No Instagram post is detailed enough to support notability.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

The vast majority of the sources are the pageant's instagram or fansites; only two or three sources are legitimate media, and of those, there is no in-depth coverage. I have relied on some machine translation to assess, but it's apparent that most of the legitimate media stories are just photo spreads of attractive humans. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Beauty pageants, and Croatia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Almost every country that has a Miss U. Beauty pageant has a page. See category. Plenty of coverage on this, btw. -Mushy Yank. 15:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mushy Yank: Can you provide 2-3 examples of the in depth RS coverage that you say exists? Without it, the closer will probably treat your reply as a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, which is non-persuasive. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think so because I am not saying Other Stuff Exists. What I am saying is: this is part of a whole. But OK.

  There is a lot of coverage on individual wins (See numerous News results in Croatia Week (in English), for example, or coverage including but not only consisting of interviews), example 1: https://www.croatiaweek.com/video-miss-universe-croatia-reveals-her-national-costume-and-evening-dress/ or this on the pageant 2024 https://www.index.hr/magazin/clanak/ovo-je-nova-miss-universe-hrvatske/2562658.aspx (the penultimate paragraph mentioning a trend in those pageants, that now include married contestants can be judged of interest from a sociological point of view).

  There are articles in the people/fashion press that list the winners (addressing the subject as a set) example 2: https://www.tportal.hr/magazin/clanak/ljeto-je-pred-nama-evo-gdje-ce-ga-provesti-najljepse-hrvatice-20160620 (see also https://www.tportal.hr/tag/miss-universe-hrvatske).

  There is also regional Croatian coverage such as the articles listed here (from Slobodna Dalmacija ) https://slobodnadalmacija.hr/tag/miss-universe-hrvatske

  Yes a lot of that coverage uses interviews and profiles with pictures but I don't think you can avoid that.

  This article in Gloria about the 2020 pageant: https://www.gloria.hr/gl/scena/zvjezdane-staze/izbor-bez-publike-poljubaca-i-suza-pobjednica-miss-universe-hrvatske-je-mirna-naiia-maric-10090528 Example 2, is decent, though.

  Other (numerous) bylined articles that can be considered acceptable sources (although not great journalism) include things like https://www.nacional.hr/foto-finalistice-natjecanja-miss-universe-hrvatske-u-kupacim-kostimima/ (In Nacional) I will make that Exhibit 3.

  There is coverage in 24sata, Jutarnji list, Narodni list and so on, so I suppose this is can be considered a nationally significant event.

  That's in English and Croatian.

  But you have also Croatian sources in Italian: https://lavoce.hr/cultura-e-spettacoli/mia-e-miss-croazia (for example).

  There is in other words a lot more to source each and every information in the article (and/or to have those that will remain unsourced removed). Cleanup might be required.

  You can also consider this as a list (that has a navigational interest). -Mushy Yank. 22:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  https://www.thedubrovniktimes.com/news/croatia/item/6626-ivana-trump-visits-croatia-for-miss-universe-pageant: and Miss Universe Croatia too had Trump for president. -Mushy Yank. 00:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Per comment above, — Maile (talk) 21:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:51, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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