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User:Astrotrain

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Astrotrain (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

81.79.203.71 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
163.167.129.124 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - if any, this would be the user's home address.
90.240.21.121 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
81.77.251.19 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
84.68.13.116 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


Report submission by

The Evil Spartan 22:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

The three IPs are clearly all sockpuppets. They show extensive knowledge of WP and its policies (see additions by 81.79 to WP:RPP), and are being used to circumvent scrutiny and often 3RR. I believe that they are sockpuppets of User:Astrotrain, who has been around since early 2005, and accumulated something like 9 blocks in the meantime, all for edit warring (and has recently been issued another warning by User:John for edit warring). It just so happens that the IPs are adding information in accordance with Astrotrain's POV, and often step in right after Astrotrain is does editing. In particular, I would like to point out:

The only other users engaged on this side of a POV in any of the edit wars all have a much cleaner history, are edit warring less often than Astrotrain, and are willing to at least try to use the talk page to come to a consensus (Astrotrain is not); in fact, some of the said pages have only had an edit war with Astrotrain and these IPs pushing a POV, which is pretty damning evidence. To the closing admin: if you are unable to conclude that these are the same users, I would ask that you could kindly copy the information over to WP:CU, where hopefully the checkusers will look at the IP's. The Evil Spartan 22:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
Astrotrain (talk · contribs) has been extensively involved in the controversial Northern Irish flags issue and has a penchant for wishing to add a particular flag into a number of highly visible templates. While this sounds trivial on the surface, there's an underlying sovereignty battle going on beneath all this. From the timings of the accounts above, I strongly suspect that the 8x.xx accounts are belonging to Astrotrain as the revert-times and articles targetted are too similar to be coincidental - Alison ☺ 23:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While it is the holiday season we know that Astrotrain is located in Scotland (as far as I am aware) and while the first and third ip's have a non-specific location the second is from the University of London (which would imply access to that instition, unlikely in a traveller) while the fifth is in on Stoke-on-Trent (the 4th being of unnamed location in London). The London university ip also has an extensive edit history making it unlikely and indeed if all the IPsn had been in Edinburgh I might have been convinced but this one isnt looking good to me, SqueakBox 23:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Four of these IPs trace back to the Energis UK network, two of which go through cable & wireless > Energis UK, the second in the list is University of North London, so it is possible that four of them are the same person.--padraig 23:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(ecd by Alison) My ip locator gives 2 from Energis and 2 from Cable & Wireless (including the Stoke on Trent address). Are these companies connected. I would suggest thast the claim that the UoL is his home address would need to be backed up as this one is looking the weakest of the 4. What I see (from my IP locator) is 3 editors, the Uol one being unlikely and the Energis and Cable &Wireless being possibly 2 users, one of whom might be Astrotrain, SqueakBox 23:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In order;
  • 71.203.79.81.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN PTR user-514fcb47.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk.
  • 124.129.167.163.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR n129-124.unl.ac.uk.
  • 121.21.240.90.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN PTR user-5af01579.wfd96.dsl.pol.co.uk.
  • 19.251.77.81.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN PTR user-514dfb13.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk.
  • 116.13.68.84.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN PTR user-54440d74.lns1-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk.

- Alison ☺ 23:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WHOIS - 84.68.13.116 mail iconEmail link to results Generated by www.DNSstuff.com

Location: United Kingdom [City: Stoke On Trent, England]


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inetnum: 84.64.0.0 - 84.71.255.255 netname: EU-EN-20040315 country: GB org: ORG-CaWT1-RIPE descr: Cable & Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH admin-c: GNOC4-RIPE tech-c: GNOC4-RIPE status: ALLOCATED PA mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-lower: CW-EUROPE-GSOC mnt-lower: CW-IPGNOC-MNT mnt-domains: CW-DNS-MNT mnt-domains: ENERGIS-MNT mnt-routes: CW-EUROPE-GSOC mnt-routes: AS5378-MNT notify: ipadmin@eu.cw.net changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20040315 changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20061206 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070130 source: RIPE

organisation: ORG-CaWT1-RIPE org-name: Cable and Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH org-type: LIR address: Landsbergerstr. 155 address: 80687 address: Muenchen address: Germany phone: +49 89 926 99 111 fax-no: +49 89 926 99 808 e-mail: ipadmin@cw.net admin-c: DS3356-RIPE admin-c: MG10145-RIPE admin-c: SM6163-RIPE admin-c: DOM12-RIPE admin-c: SA79-RIPE admin-c: RS27341-RIPE admin-c: AB14382-RIPE admin-c: TOC-RIPE admin-c: JO361-RIPE mnt-ref: CW-EUROPE-GSOC mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20040415 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20040511 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20041019 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20041112 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20041122 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20041217 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20041228 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050201 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050310 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050315 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050406 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050418 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050502 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050617 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050617 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050617 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20050623 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20051014 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20051014 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20051117 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20051117 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060224 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060330 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060406 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060509 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060517 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060517 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060517 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060517 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060628 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060711 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20060817 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061005 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061009 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061011 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061016 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061017 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061124 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061124 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061130 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061206 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061207 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061207 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061208 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061208 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061208 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061213 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20061218 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070110 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070212 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070215 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070221 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070308 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070308 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070322 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070416 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070416 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070716 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070727 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070808 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070809 changed: bitbucket@ripe.net 20070813 source: RIPE

role: Cable and Wireless IP GNOC Munich remarks: IP Admin Department address: Landsbergerstr. 155 address: 80687 Munich address: Germany e-mail: ipadmin@cw.net admin-c: TOC-RIPE tech-c: TOC-RIPE tech-c: SM6163-RIPE tech-c: RS27341-RIPE tech-c: SA79-RIPE abuse-mailbox: abuse@cw.net nic-hdl: GNOC4-RIPE mnt-by: CW-IPGNOC-MNT changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20040203 changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20040727 changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20041105 changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20051014 changed: annette.moll@cw.com 20051126 changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20060714 changed: tcremer@de.cw.net 20060807 changed: smorhoff@cw.net 20070403 source: RIPE

% Information related to '84.64.0.0/13AS5388'

route: 84.64.0.0/13 descr: Energis UK origin: AS5388 mnt-by: ENERGIS-MNT changed: matt.mcintyre@energis.com 20020916 source: RIPE


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This is one of the Cable and Wireless results from whois, as you can see from the bottom it links to Energis UK, the other Cable & Wireless one does as well, I am not totally convinced this is Astrotrain or him working alone I suspect someone else involved in this.--padraig 23:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In such an issue I would say good faith means if we think there are 2+ people that is likely true, SqueakBox 23:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Conclusions
  • This data is inconclusive. It seems probable that there are at least two people behind the IP edits, and I'm not confident that any of them are connected to Astrotrain. If problems are continuing semi-protection and a Checkuser are in order. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Astrotrain
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