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The result of the discussion was no consensus. I'm just going to close this discussion as No consensus. There isn't even agreement on a suitable target article to retarget to. No penalty against a future RFD to reconsider this redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:23, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Usurper King → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Zant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

There have been plenty of real historical figures described as usurper kings, including in some Wikipedia articles. This redirect is therefore too ambiguous to target to this character. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Usurper King is unambiguously Zant or at the very least the main topic, as a quick search confirms. If you can find another case where someone is called Usurper King in running text in 20th or 21st century English, then maybe we need a disambiguation page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  
• Delete per nom; many many real kings have been labeled as usurpers over the centuries. The existence of this redirect is actively harmful, as it impedes searching within Wikipedia, the result of which reveals the phrase in wide use, so wide and general that even a DAB page would probably be too unwieldy to be helpful. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep (or disambig) per Rich Farmbrough. None of the other uses found by the search use this a name or title for anybody, simply a description, they would be appropriate to include on a list of people described as "usurper king" or similarly titled list but only that. Deletion of this redirect would hinder readers finding the content about the character specifically named "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now per above. GHits are mostly about Zelda. There's a book that calls Henry Bolingbroke the Usurper King but I think someone more knowledgeable about royalty to confirm if it's an actual notable nickname. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  When I add "Henry" to the search term I do get a lot of hits for that English King, some of which use it as a sort of title, so I'd support adding a hatnote there as Zelda is the primary topic overall. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List of usurpers, as lots of Kings have been called usurper in the history, and my feeling is that this list would take primacy outside of the internet (which is biased towards current culture). At the very least, I would suggest this list be hatnoted at whatever target is chosen. Yes, Henry Bolingbroke is on this list, but googling "kings who have been called usurpers" got me an instant results listing William the Conqueror, Stephen of Blois, Henry Bolingbroke, Edward IV, Richard III, and Henry Tudor immediately, so clearly historians have quite a few usurper kings in mind when they hear the term. Fieari (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There is a difference between describing a king as a usurper and calling someone "Usurper King". Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete When I think "Usurper King", my mind would never go to Zant and I'm even a big fan of Twilight Princess. This is simply too vague to be targeted here. The IP is correct that it will disrupt legitimate searches. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. not even an old tiktok meme like great king of evil (though i'd nominate that one too, as the meme invariably includes his name). off the top of my head, the wasp king (as in the guy from bug fables) also fits the bill cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or retarget to List of usurpers per Fieari -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Usurper, following the same principle as Fieari but I see no reason to prefer the list to the article about the concept. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom, or retarget to List of usurpers as per above. Veverve (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to usurper per Pppery. The term is singular after all and there is already a hatnote to the list. No issues with adding one for the Zelda character, but even for him, "Usurper King" is not the primary part of his name (It's rendered as Usurper King ZANT). -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 12:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC); edited 12:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• India women's national futsal team → India national futsal team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Target is for the men's team with no mention of the women's team. Should be left as a redirect to encourage creation. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Futsal Association of India: seems more suitable. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - not mentioned at current target or Futsal Association of India. Also per WP:REDYES/WP:RFD#D10. A7V2 (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Not mentioned at the proposed retarget and the current target would be a surprise for readers. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Misleading redirect (WP:EASTEREGG), not neutral (favouring the men's team over the women' team). The Banner talk 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Zelda 2016 → The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Breath of the Wild did not release in 2016, it released in 2017. Also, Twilight Princess HD, another Zelda game, did come out in 2016! However, I think this is an unlikely term to refer to either game, so I think we should just delete it. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Could refer to anything on the Zelda disambiguation page which occurred in 2016. Steel1943 (talk) 23:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral - the game was scheduled/estimated to be released in 2016 for quite some time during its development, and I dont think anyone would realistically refer to a then-decade old port as "Zelda 2016", so I don't really agree with the nomination. That said, I also don't really think, in this day and age, that it's likely for someone not know the name Breath of the Wild, but know to search by its initially planned release year, so I'm not really sure if it's realistic function either. Sergecross73 msg me 16:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment According to imdb there is a 2016 film named "Zelda" but it's not listed on the Zelda (disambiguation) page so I'm not sure if we have content, it also seems to be a common way of referring to a set of trading cards (e.g. [1]) released that year but again I'm uncertain if we have content. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Important to note that this redirect was created in 2016, before Breath of the Wild released. It seems that they incorrectly predicted that the game would be released in 2016. ApexParagon (talk) 04:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Carlos Brown (cricketer) → Jamaica national cricket team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not Listed at target page. Blethering Scot 23:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Gilon Tyson → Windward Islands cricket team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed at target article. Blethering Scot 22:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Misleading, not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Adam Thomas (cricketer) → List of Surrey County Cricket Club players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed at target page/non notable. Blethering Scot 22:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current target page is for "male cricketers who have played for Surrey County Cricket Club in top-class matches since it was founded in 1845". I suspect that Adam Thomas is earlier than that, but since the original page for him no longer seems to be accessible it's hard to be sure. The CricketArchive database lists scores of players named A Thomas, so it would be almost impossible to unearth the right one, but I strongly suspect that he is non-notable, and just deleting the redirect seems appropriate. JH (talk page) 10:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, this [2] would seem to be our "Adam Thomas" who played for Surrey. He is not a first-class cricketer though, so, assuming I have the right man, Delete. – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Nimar Bolden → West Indies Academy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed at target page/non notable. Blethering Scot 21:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Misleading, not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Jediah Blades → West Indies Academy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed at target page/non notable. Blethering Scot 21:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Misleading, not mentioned at target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Redirect/Archive 1 → Wikipedia:Redirect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

What even is the purpose of this? Is this like supposed to be an example of a subpage? Why does it have the talk page archive title format? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 20:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: These tend to get WP:G6'ed WP:G8'ed while leaving their "talk page" intact. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943 Speedy deletion got rejected. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, meant WP:G8. Steel1943 (talk) 14:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This isn't helpful in no viable way. Gonnym (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for the same reason as Worcester/Archive 1. If we wanted such redirects we would create them automatically otherwise there is no reason to have this as an exception. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom and as hopelessly vague. is this supposed to refer to some previous diff? to some previous day or month in the log? to some archive in the talk page? it's rawer than a frozen burrito cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not vague at all, it's the complement of Wikipedia talk:Redirect/Archive 1. It's not useful and should be deleted but not for being vague. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Completely useless, misleading, and nonsensical, since it's not an actual archive of the project page Redirect.

Obviously keep the talk page, since that's meant to be an actual archive. (This was likely created because of the talk page.) ApexParagon (talk) 04:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD/Redirects → Wikipedia:Redirect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Subpage of a defunct wikiproject and redundant. Also, nothing links here. Most people would probably know that redirect etiquette applies to all of wikipedia TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Apparently, the proper retargeting option would be either Wikipedia:WikiProject Music Standards or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music if either had a section about redirects, but neither does. Steel1943 (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment this page originally had content, Redirects should be included whenever possible to make the articles as accessible as possible. For example, the opera La bohème should have redirects from La boheme, La Bohème, La Boheme, Boheme and Bohème: followed by the wikitext of a redirect to La bohème (uncategorised, because the page predates redirect categorisation). Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• P Diddler → Sean Combs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

...really? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. got nothin for this one. the p could stand for plok for all we know, since he has apparently been diddled in the past cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It comes from P Diddy, an existing name he uses, and "P Diddler" being a recent exonymic nickname currently circulating based on that older stagename (as well as "The Diddler" and "P Diddle Diddle"). "P Diddy" itself evolved from Puff Daddy, an older stagename. So "P" is "Puff" (he also has used "Puffy" and "Diddy"). A cursory web search will find the form "P Diddler" referring to Combs.[https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=%22P+Diddler%22&ia=web As for diddling itself, that's also part of the accusations currently circulating, but can easily come from the "Diddy" portion of his stagename. (I'd like to try a Google date range search, but that seems broken? Or is it just me? The Google Search Tools dropdown datebox doesn't accept changes) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not a useful search term, and simply inflammatory. We don't need and shouldn't want every meme/joke name as a redirect. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Kylie Koopa → Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

not particularly notable side character cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not mentioned in target. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 21:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Although this media work is where the character is from, the lack of information at the target means the redirect won't meet a reader's needs or expectations. (A reader searching this term will expect to find something about Kylie Koopa rather than not find anything about Kylie Koopa.) Having not found meaningful coverage of the topic, I don't think there's a strong chance of information about the topic being added to the target. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 19:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• List of characters in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga → Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

no such list present cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per G8, as a page dependent on Characters in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, which closed as delete in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 12:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  huh. didn't think that would apply here, but if you think it can, i could probably tag it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Agree with Utopes there: If the retargeting never happened, this redirect should have been WP:G8'ed. Steel1943 (talk) 15:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Ineligible for speedy deletion. If it's a redirect to an existing page, and it's not patent nonsense (not, say, redirecting this page to Nuclear physics), it's not a G8 candidate. Nyttend (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nyttend:. WP:G8 is stated to be a criteria for "pages dependent on a deleted page", and applies to redirects to targets that were deleted. The page that this was dependent on, (Characters in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga), was deleted in an AfD. Eubot does the same thing, even for those which were never retargeted from start to end. If Bedi Kartlisa. Revue de Kartvélologie were to get deleted for whatever reason (which is a redirect to Bedi Kartlisa), it is my understanding that there is an auto-G8 for Bedi Kartlisa. Revue de Kartvelologie, which is a page without diacritics created by Eubot. Both of these are redirects to the same page, but the one without diacritics is dependent on the one with, and it is my understanding that G8 gets auto-applied, if the one with diacritics gets deleted. I fail to see how this situation is any different, as this is also a redirect dependent on another redirect.

As I'm typing this I realize I misremembered, apologies. Not Eubot, but AnomieBOT does this right now. İzmir-Aydın Railway is a redirect. According to your post, because it points to an existing page, and it's not patent nonsense, it cannot be a G8 candidate. Even though it is dependent on İzmir–Aydın Railway which has a longer dash, and is a title that can be independently messed with and deleted while leaving the other alone. The hyphenated page is set to auto-G8, if something were to ever happen to the base redirect that it was dependent on. It is my understanding that the G8 would be enacted at that point for being dependent on a deleted page, and the same seems to be the situation here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also "patent nonsense" has nothing to do with G8. If this was pointed at Nuclear physics, the target should be changed if possible, not G8'd as implied, to my understanding. Nonsense redirects are not covered by Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think it's more because it's no longer dependent on something that got deleted

maybe if it was still mid-2007, it'd be eligible for g8, but as is, it's a plain ol' case of the list not being present

i still think it'll be deleted, just not speedily, and there's only two days to go before it can get deleted anyway cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page that this was dependent on...was deleted in an AfD. Utterly irrelevant because the page was retargeted. This is a technical criterion, which as far as redirects is concerned, is for getting rid of non-working redirects. Otherwise we could G8-speedy any redirect whose original target was deleted. All that matters is that the current target exists, so it is ineligible. Nyttend (talk) 18:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nyttend: You didn't answer my original proposition nor address the examples of how G8 is currently used, not only by me, but also by User:Anomie, because all of their bot creations are set to autodelete, by G8, if the page they were based on disappears. You've now undeleted my backlog and are now claiming within logs that my tags are "abusing G8", even though this has been concurred by admins previously and have all been deleted (tagging User:Pppery and User:Rehman). The Henning Alexander von Kleist (1707-1784 undeletion is especially appalling to me; this is an auto-generated redirect created by User:AnomieBOT which has been deleted since February 2024, now undeleted in November 2024, and it's about to just get deleted again as an AnomieBOT auto-G8 so I'm not sure why go back 10 months to undelete for the sake of proving a point. Check İzmir-Aydın Railway and any of AnomieBOT's redirects; all creations nowadays are set to auto-G8 if the page they are dependent on disappears. If that's an "abuse of G8", imo you'll need to take that one up with Anomie because that affects tens of thousands of redirects right now, dependent on other redirects.

You say "This is a technical criterion for getting rid of non-working redirects", emphasis mine. However, this is not true. If a redirect to a deleted page is a plausible redirect, then G8 does not apply. Per the text of WP:G8, This criteria excludes any page that is useful to Wikipedia, including... plausible redirects that can be changed to valid targets. Of course, from my own personal experience in viewing CSD, this bulletpoint often gets put to the wayside as its simpler for admins to delete all incoming redirects that get broken by way of deletion. (Fwiw I rarely, if ever, see redirects to pages at AfD get retargeted, as a way of pursuing an alternative to deletion). But it's still true nonetheless. You've use another phrase, "technical criterion", but the only "technical" CSD is G6, i.e. "technical deletion". G8 is "pages dependent on a deleted page". It seems we have a disagreement regarding the extent of "what makes something dependent", which I'm happy to discuss if you'd like at WT:CSD. My primary goal from this was strengthening my understanding of G8. But from my POV, your undeletion of all my G8s was disruptive, and by recreating, has now (albeit temporarily) instated problematic redirects that are all going to get deleted again, where multiple admins have already long since deleted them. The fact that this wasn't done via deletion review is wild to me as several disputed CSDs, but I'm happy to learn more about this to be more proficient in the future. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nyttend's interpretation of G8 is mostly correct. The one exception is that I deleted Henning Alexander von Kleist (1707-1784 because it was a redirect created by a bot because a redirect that has since been deleted now exists. These days the bot adds {{User:AnomieBOT/Auto-G8}} which tags the page for speedy deletion if its source page no longer exists, so I used that logic (I should have used G7 instead, arguably, but I most likely didn't split hairs over which speedy deletion criterion to use since I didn't expect anyone to challenge it - I can no longer remember what was going through my mind at the time).

I would have declined the G8 of Eddy Martínez as well, and the third redirect Nyttend undeleted was Green Cargo Mb, which was not abuse at all - the target genuinely didn't exist at the time it was speedy deleted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, there's nothing wrong with admins boldly undeleting pages they feel another admin speedy deleted out of process. Back when I was still an admin and patrolled WP:Database reports/Possibly out-of-process deletions I did that all the time. I probably wouldn't have undeleted even Eddy Martínez even if it had showed up there, because I wouldn't have thought doing so was a worthwhile use of limited will to care, but Nyttend was correct to do so. Nyttend missed the mark with two of his three undeletions on the merits, but I see no procedural problem with them. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) @Pppery:, Green Cargo Mb was not undeleted by Nyttend and is not a part of this; I tagged that page in April of 2020 and I can't particularly remember the specifics there, maybe if I went back in time. I'd appreciate if you could clarify your timeline on Henning Alexander von Kleist (1707-1784 because nothing exists, so I'm not sure what the story is there; WP:G7 wouldn't apply because the author didn't request deletion. I'm also not sure what you mean by "source page", as there's multiple definitions so I'd ask to know which one you mean. The documentation for {{User:AnomieBOT/Auto-G8}} is as follows:

This template exists to automatically apply {{db-g8}} when the intended target of the redirect (before correction of double redirects) no longer exists.

For example, it's relatively common that A is intended to redirect to B, but A actually redirects to X because B is itself a redirect to X. This template will tag the redirect for speedy deletion if B is deleted, even if X still exists.

So my question to you now is that there are evidently two different interpretations of G8 being used by administrators at this time. According to Nyttend's explanation that you say you agree with, there should be no auto-G8 at all, because "X exists, therefore A is ineligible to be deleted because A points to X". But this explanation directly contradicts the documentation being used by Anomie here, so which is it? Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nyttend did actually undelete Green Cargo Mb.

Sorry for my poor wording above. What I meant to say is because it was a redirect created by a bot because a redirect that has since been deleted then existed. And there's a distinction between a bot that creates redirect A because redirect B exists, and would update redirects A to match the target of redirect B if they diverge and a human who creates a redirect that another human later retargets. The former creates a dependency sufficient for G8, especially if the operator says it does. The latter does not.

On G7, Anomie has requested that admins delete any redirects his bot created that correspond to a page which no longer exists. That's why G7 would apply. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the tip about Anomie presuming G7 application on the bot redirects. I did not realize that. The pages should certainly be deleted speedily regardless because the long-dash and the short-dash would be intrinsically tied to each other, so the removal of one should certainly result in the removal of the latter.

Forgive my confusion but I don't see how the "bot" distinction is related to G8-eligibility. Bot or not, operators are 100% responsible for the creations and are held to the same standard. So if its G7, it's G7. But where does G8 enter the picture, because it is definitely in the picture if that's the criteria that these are being tagged for. (These are getting G8'd instead of, say, {{User:AnomieBOT/Auto-G7}}; G7 isn't ever used in this case). You say that the only thing that needs to happen to create a "dependency", is if the creator says its dependent?

How else can we interpret the creation of a redirect? The author makes it target a page. The author makes the redirect depend on the page... until a bot fixes an error nobody sees to avoid a double redirect. How is this bot fix different than Anomie's bot fix? Are bots exempt? Because bots are users as well and seem to be held to the same standards. Nobody's fault for this, but this feels like a retconned definition, as none of this is mentioned at G8. What is mentioned is "dependent", and there's no reason to think these two situations would be different, imo, and both would meet the requirement of "dependency".

At the end of the day, it's all about the intention, and whether created by a bot and updated by a bot, or created by a person and updated by a bot, I hope we can use a bit of common sense to determine what the original intention and dependency of the redirect was meant to be, and proceed from there.

Lastly, thanks for bringing Green Cargo Mb to my attention. I am nothing short of flabbergasted by Nyttend's claim of my "abuse". Let's go back in time to 2020 for some reason, because that's where we're at here. On April 2nd 2020, I G8 CSD'd this page because it pointed at a target that didn't exist: [3] This can be proven because the page didn't make it into mainspace for another three days, as it was accepted as an AfC draft only on April 5th: [4]. From there, the draft's creator leaves the edit summary of "Now the article redirected to is approved", and suitably recreates the redirect on April 5th to the now-valid mainspace target. [5] This assumption of "abuse" in the logs is absolutely appalling and I am very saddened that this 4-year-old deletion was reverted here for zero reason. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{User:AnomieBOT/Auto-G8}} explicitly says If you're uncomfortable applying G8 in this situation, G6 or G7 would work too.

I think it's clear we've reached the point where neither of us is going to convince the other one of our position in this discussion, so I won't bother to engage further. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I've said my piece at WT:CSD as well. I didn't see the "if you're uncomfortable applying" bit you're referring to in the documentation, but I appreciate the exchange, so thank you for the discussion. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete slowly This isn't a speedy delete case per my comments above (it could have been speedied in August 2007 if the July 2007 retarget hadn't happened), but that's water under the airplane now. It's at least a colorable argument that The player characters are brothers Mario and Luigi, who travel to the Beanbean Kingdom to return the voice of Peach, the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, after it is stolen by the Beanish witch Cackletta and her henchman Fawful. Among other characters are Queen Bean and Prince Peasley of the Beanbean Kingdom, who assist Mario and Luigi; and the thief Popple, who crosses paths with them throughout the game is sufficient substance to support a list, so I think a discussion is warranted. But I'm going to err on the side of not accepting that argument, and deleting. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mario &Luigi: SuperStar Saga → Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

implausible missing space? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Between the implausible missing space and the weird capitalization, this is a very unlikely search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep single character typo by omission, a likely form of error that with a whitespace omission where it is, is easily parseable. Camelcapping seems rampant in the gamespace -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per QuicoleJR TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 23:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Besides the above comments, I see this causing havoc on browsers due to no space after the ampersand. Steel1943 (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Belly Blech → Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

it's belly blech worm!! also not mentioned in the article, or really that important cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Although this media work is where the fictional character (fictional parasite? malady? not exactly a member of the cast, this one) is from, the lack of information at the target means the redirect won't meet a reader's needs or expectations. (A reader searching this term will expect to find something about the Belly Blech rather than not find anything about the Belly Blech.) Having not found meaningful coverage of the topic, I don't think there's a strong chance of information about the topic being added to the target. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 19:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  fictional parasite. you seen buff dedede? it's kinda like that cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Panjshiri dialect → Kabuli dialect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Couldn't find any WP:RS that these are synonyms. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. asilvering (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia Manual of Style → Wikipedia:Manual of Style  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

It's categorized as a redirect from misspelling, but the space and colon are pretty far off. Maybe if people wanted to see Wikipedia's MoS, it could be useful. Kind of plausible but also unnatural redirect. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that's a plausible redirect if i've ever seen one. from a look at the rcat functional index, i have no idea which other rcats would fit here. i guess remove r from misspelling as not a misspelling and weak remove r to project page as apparently that one isn't meant to be used in mainspace cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: This shouldn't really be in question in my opinion. Should have been an rcat update and move on considering how plausible it is. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, not understanding what the concern is. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:XNR to non-readership content. If we kept this, then any page in projectnamespace could acceptably have a redirect of this form. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep very plausible redirect. I often make these sorts of mistakes (space for colon) when typing. Furius (talk) 09:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, WP:XNR. Veverve (talk) 10:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per TeapotsOfDoom. I can't imagine why anyone would type this without wanting to see Wikipedia's MoS. The general problem with cross-namespace redirects is that they allow unsuspecting readers to fall into the backside of the site, as if you're walking around a museum and a normal doorway leads you into a furnace room suddenly. But this one is more like a doorway bearing a big "Furnace Room" sign; people won't end up here unintentionally, and (unlike in museums) we don't mind visitors intentionally reaching the furnace room. Nyttend (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could say the same thing for Wikipedia Redirects for Discussion or Wikipedia WikiProject Biography or any other page in WPnamespace -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:XNR and a bit of WP:SELF. Steel1943 (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, but not because this is a misspelling, but because I think a non-editor reader might look up what is Wikipedia's house manual of style. So for me this is the exception to WP:XNR, and would not support other examples. Gonnym (talk) 08:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Completely unambiguous, plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 11:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Gonnym and others. Unike RfD or a wikiproject, it's quite possible readers would like to find and review our manual of style (just like people do not work at AP News finds their style guide useful). Skynxnex (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia#Content policies and guidelines. Jay 💬 11:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No Original Research → Wikipedia:No original research  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

WP:XNR but it's quite literally the first thing that pops up when you search the phase on google. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• retarget to Wikipedia#Content_policies_and_guidelines, per the just-closed discussion on no original research (whose outcome I disagree with, but whatever at this point). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as as the expression is vague + WP:XNR. Veverve (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy retarget per previous discussion as its the same term just different capitalization. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. In general we shouldn't mix these two namespaces. Gonnym (talk) 08:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per previous discussion, no meaningful difference in the capitalization. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Fieari and Crouch, Swale. Thryduulf (talk) 11:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per above suggestions. Seems like a term that is almost exclusively from Wikipedia but has some interest outside of us now, so making it possible to find is fine. And this is a simple redirect from alternative/incorrect capitalization of the earlier discussion Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 12#No original research. Skynxnex (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• WP;OR → Wikipedia:No original research  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Somebody forgot to hit their shift key. Do simple typos justify WP:XNRs? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ridiculous and unatural. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and per 1ctinus. BD2412 T 20:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Very plausible redirect, which hurts nobody and gets people where they intended to go. Furius (talk) 09:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I have this redirect on my watchlist, and I was absolutely sure it would be brought up here sooner or later. Anyway, delete it as an error lacking affinity to the title. It is no more likely to be searched for than WP;BLP, WP;CIVIL, WP;NPOV or WP;V, for example. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 11:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No more affinity to this invocation of a namespace alias than any other. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 15:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Dsuke1998AEOS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Duckmather (talk) 03:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. We shouldn't support every possible typo and especially not when its WP:XNR. Gonnym (talk) 08:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Harmless WP:XNR, as I firmly believe the colon and semi-colon are plausible typos of each other. I don't see the need for consistency, that is to say, we don't need to create WP;BLP or anything like that, per WP:Please, put Pandora back in the box, but there isn't really a pressing reason to delete the ones that have already been created. Fieari (talk) 23:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless the software is adjusted to recognize this as namespace specifier (if namespace specifiers were switched to semicolons, then colons could be restricted for interproject links instead... or vice versa) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• BLP:CRIME → Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#BLPCRIM  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not a proper namespace or psudonamespace TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fix the target to #people accused of crime because a redirect to a page followed by a typo of an abbreviation used by another redirect gives my eyes the big ouchies. and then delete per nom i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. "BLP" isn't a namespace, real or pseudo. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 15:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per my comment above. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In general we shouldn't mix these two namespaces. Gonnym (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Pink Yoshi → Yoshi's Woolly World#Release  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Just because pink is mentioned in passing as one of the three colors of Yoshi amiibo that were released in the game, doesn't mean that this is a useful redirect. Anyone wanting actual information about Pink Yoshi will be disappointed. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. woolly world isn't even the first or only game with a pink yoshi. a hidden figure forbid mario kart 8 not have something cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom.

QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hez → Hezbollah  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Nobody calls it that. This redirect is extremely implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete. yeah, results gave me assorted brands, assorted bands, and men cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Natchez–Adams County Airport which has IATA code HEZ. Possibly disambig if we can find any other uses. I can only find a handful of uses, such as: HEZ, ICAO airline code for Arrow Aviation (an obscure Israeli airline which doesn't even have its own article - see List of airline codes) and a few partial title matches like La Neuville-en-Hez. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 21:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've changed my vote to Disambig as per 65.92.246.77 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 19:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate Natchez–Adams County Airport, wiktionary:en:hez; Arrow listed at List of airline codes (A); HEZ (Haupteinflugzeichen) is covered at Lorenz beam; Hez (Hezuolinite) is mentioned at List of mineral symbols; Hezekiah Walker (born 1962) is nicknamed "Hez"; Hez is a character from The Shannons of Broadway. Per French Wikipedia La Neuville-en-Hez ("New Town in Hez") is named after Hez Forest (12th c.) where it is situated, the forest is now called fr:Forêt de Hez-Froidmont; Hez Forest is listed at List of forests in France. A seealso for Grand Hez in Bouillon, Belgium could also appear. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment sample dab page drafted below the RfD header at the page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig per the IP editor's draft. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 23:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Nomination featured article → English Wikipedia#WikiProjects and assessment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

The article does not mention nominations, and the order of the words makes this a very unlikely search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. the wording could just as easily imply that it's about nominating featured articles for... something (idk, dyk?), or a featured article on nominations. it's confusing cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Disambiguate at Diddler. Note that The Diddler was never tagged. Since retargeting to a disambiguation page is not normally something that requires a formal discussion this does not invalidate the outcome here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Diddler → Cheating  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• The Diddler → Sean Combs Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]

The first redirect was created by a new user in 2015. Unsurprisingly, the topic isn't covered in cheating. The second term is an informal term for Sean Combs. Hence, I'm asking to delete them. Tavantius (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, classic {{r from avoided double redirect}}. Diddler => cheater => cheating. Cremastra (u — c) 00:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Term has very unfortunate and known implications towards children and nobody ever uses this term for anyone above age in general vernacular. This is a SALT candidate for sure. Nate • (chatter) 00:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean. Could also just... retarget to pedophilia. Most everyone who uses the term is referring to that, anyways, might as well take 'em to where they expect to go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• disambiguate per the two uses described above, and a see also to Diddle (disambiguation) ; and also the uses Diddler (trolleybus) operated by the London United Tramways, Didier Casnati (stagename "The Diddler"), Jeremy Diddler, P Diddler from P Diddler And The Fearsome Foursome, The Diddler from Bluntman and Chronic, The Diddler from Megamaths, Diddler from Pirates (1986 film), Diddler from Most Extreme Elimination Challenge, Diddler from Bloodfist III: Forced to Fight, "The Diddler" song from Ideas+drafts+loops, "Diddler on the Roof" at Recurring Saturday Night Live characters and sketches introduced 2017–18, "Diddler" as shown at Riddler in other media, "The Diddler" novel by P.G. O'Dea -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • NOTE disambig drafted for evaluation below the RfD header on the redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The Diddler redirect should be added to this RfD -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @65.92.246.77: Done. Tavantius (talk) 19:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguation of Diddler is clearly justified by the draft page. The Diddler may need to be its own DAB page, since we don't target redirects to DAB pages. It just needs to include the subset of Diddler targets that specifically have the article (seven by my count). There's no mention, referenced or otherwise, of Sean Combs being known as The Diddler at the time of my writing this. ― Synpath 01:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We do target DAB pages with redirects, WP:RTODAB, but this kind of variation isn't mentioned in the examples. ― Synpath 01:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:THE would suggest that "The X"/"A X"/"An X" and "X" should be combined because of how Wikipedia treats titles with "The"/"A"/"An" and whether our guidelines find the "The"/"A"/"An" significant or not, which would be different from how people encounter it in the real world. Such as the example given of "The Journey to the West"/"The White House" uses the preferred form "Journey to the West"/"White House", thus separating out a "The Diddler" would be counter-productive, unless the page grows so large that navigability would suggest a split be made. The Doctor (disambiguation) leads to Doctor (disambiguation) showing a usage of the combined disambiguation page for the forms "The Doctor" and "Doctor". As does Nightmare (disambiguation) which combines "(A /The )[Kn/N]ight(-/ /)[m/M]are(s)" forms. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement, no need for a separate DAB page (struck). I was thinking it was a little silly when I wrote it, but didn't check further after reading WP:RTODAB (confirmation bias strikes again). Going back again I see you're right and WP:DABNAME covers this under point five. ― Synpath 23:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

intriguingly, the redirect was created by @FunkMonk, a veteran user with over 100 thousand edits. Tavantius (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A quick Google search should give the answer, it's a common nickname related to the allegations:[6][7][8][9][10] FunkMonk (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig Diddler based on the draft and retarget The Diddler there, where there are multiple fictional characters named exactly that mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Time of Shedding and Cold Rocks → Great Recession  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article, possible WP:NEO, WP:RSURPRISE applies. Steel1943 (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. This comes from one misprint from the New York Times (source) Veverve (talk) 10:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Moneygeddon → Great Recession  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article (WP:RSURPRISE), making it WP:OR/WP:NEO otherwise. Steel1943 (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. BarntToust 18:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move draft overtop. All yours, czar. asilvering (talk) 15:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Eirik Suhrke → Ridiculous Fishing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Currently links to composer Eirik Suhrke's name lead to the article for the game Ridiculous Fishing. This has created confusion on some talk pages as he is credited with working on multiple games and his mention on the Ridiculous Fishing article is confined to one sentence saying he was the composer for the game. Given the lack of coverage on the man himself and the extensive list of notable works he's been involved with it seems it would be best to delete the redirect, given it points to an article that contains just as much info on him as that of any other game he's worked on. XeCyranium (talk) 04:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Mainspace draft User:Czar/drafts/Eirik Suhrke per the last discussion to solve the core issue. I'd argue he's better known for Ridiculous Fishing than the other mentions but with a dedicated page that would not be necessary. czar 16:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Move the disambiguation page to lowercase * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Snake eyes → Snake Eyes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

This was, for a long time, an article about rolling two ones. Redirected to Craps#Rolling in 2020, as it was deemed not notable enough for a standalone article. Later retargeted to the dabpage. I'd argue this is a good situation for WP:DIFFCAPS - the craps meaning is the primary topic, and nothing at Snake Eyes is referred to as "snake eyes". 162 etc. (talk) 16:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move the disambiguation page to Snake eyes. There are two notable things possibly called "Snake eyes", at that capitalization. The dice roll, and the actual eyes of an actual snake. I suppose the latter term could also be used to describe reptilian eyes in other contexts (aliens, or the like). The content on the dice roll should be restored and merged somewhere appropriate for that content. BD2412 T 16:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the disambiguation page The purpose is to bring people to the page they are looking for. I think the DAB page lists the media and the "rolling of the dice" definition. There have been two major movies with the same name over the past few decades that might bring people to where they want to go. If people search "snake eyes", it should bring them to the DAB page instead of the "Craps (rolling)" section that does not have a DAB link. Marty2Hotty (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that Snake Eyes is currently at RM. 162 etc. (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snake Eyes (G.I. Joe) is, with implications for Snake Eyes, but I don't see that going anywhere. BD2412 T 03:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This title should lead readers to the disambiguation page. Whether that is because the dab page is here, or because it redirects to the dab page at Snake Eyes I have no preference. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Menthol Moose → Products produced from The Simpsons  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

No longer mentioned in the article. Xeroctic (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Azeroth. At the very least, everyone agrees that the original target is no good. asilvering (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Azaroth → Azathoth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

This is an ambiguous misspelling (and see @VeryRarelyStable:'s edit at [11]). It may be better to delete than to guess which misspelling the user wanted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Azeroth, which is a likelier target of this misspelling. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 12:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Azeroth per Presidentman, and add Azathoth to the hatnote on that page. BD2412 T 16:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Horribly ambiguous, as illustrated by the hatnote on Azathoth. Steel1943 (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No need for ambiguous misspellings. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A misspelling that is only off by a single letter for a topic on which we have an article really does not seem ambiguous. There is already a hatnote as it is, so there is no harm in retargeting. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The problem is that it's also off by a single letter from Ataroth. So why there? You're guessing, and we might as well let search do the guessing instead. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I would hazard that vowel misspellings for a likely schwa sound are substantially more common than consonant misspellings for a completely different sounding consonant. BD2412 T 03:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as its very ambiguous given the articles mentioned above and also links like Azarath and Azarath (band) are also just one vowel off. We shouldn't try and divine what is intended. I usually say 'leave it to Search' here, but Wikipedia yields poor results for me, and this search may be better left to Google/DDG/others. ― Synpath 04:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Synpath: The assertion that it is "very ambiguous" would appear to make the case for disambiguation, wouldn't it? BD2412 T 12:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Fair, I meant ambiguous misspellings, which afaik you can't make a DAB with. ― Synpath 02:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per BD2412. Neither "Ataroth" nor "Azeroth" is likely as an "oops I hit the wrong key by accident" typo (either in QWERTY or Dvorak), but it's likely as an "oops I didn't know how to spell it" typo. If I hear someone pronounce "Ataroth", I won't use this spelling (it's a voiced sibilant sound, not an unvoiced dental stop), but I could easily use this spelling if I hear someone pronounce "Azeroth". Nyttend (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Azeroth, per above. Not a plausible typo, but a very plausible misspelling. No objections for a hatnote. Fieari (talk) 23:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Per above. A plausible mis-spelling (I had to do a double-take to work out why it wasn't the world from Warcraft). FOARP (talk) 20:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Morgan Smith (rapper) → List of Interscope Records artists  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed on target page Blethering Scot 07:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Misleading, not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Benji Floros → List of Queensland first-class cricketers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not listed on target page. Blethering Scot 07:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not a first-class cricketer, from what I can tell, [12] and I don't see a better target. – Michael Aurel (talk) 10:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Shattered Island (Skylanders) → Skylanders  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

This is the name of the first chapter of Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure, but it isn't mentioned in either the target article or that game's article. The redirect began life in 2022 as a page about the chapter (see the most developed version before it was permanently redirected here), and then Praxidicae (who might want to weigh in in this discussion) redirected it seventeen hours later for the subject being WP:GAMECRUFT. I'm not sure if we should lead people into thinking we have substantial info about this chapter when we don't have much info if any at all, so I'm bringing it here to discuss. My preference is deletion, but I'm open to being swayed otherwise. Regards, SONIC678 07:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment a list of stages could be added to Skylanders: Spyro's Adventure or a list of locations (and list of characters) to Skylanders, so that this redirect could be supported. Otherwise, it should be deleted. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 11:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• delete - i figured it was better than an afd at the time (i think, its been quite a while!) GRINCHIDICAE🎄 15:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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