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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2006 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged into List of candidates in the 2006 Dutch general election Dajasj (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2003 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged into List of candidates in the 2003 Dutch general election Dajasj (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2012 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged into List of candidates in the 2012 Dutch general election Dajasj (talk) 15:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2017 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged them all into List of candidates in the 2017 Dutch general election Dajasj (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2021 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged them all in List of candidates in the 2021 Dutch general election, too much similar lists in other countries Dajasj (talk) 15:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2023 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Merged them into List of candidates in the 2023 Dutch general election, so not category needed anymore Dajasj (talk) 14:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Category has been emptied (but created by another editor unlike other, similar categories). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, we usually don't categorize candidates for anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7, empty category too Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Candidate lists for the 2010 Dutch general election ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I have merged all pages into List of candidates in the 2010 Dutch general election Dajasj (talk) 14:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Video games by narrative genre to Category:Video games by theme
• Propose deleting Category:Video game series by narrative genre ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: AHI-3000 has largely mucked up this category by subcategorizing by "narrative genre" which appears to be purely subjective, as I can think of many mystery, romance, etc. games where that theme influences their gameplay. They were already fine being sorted under theme without this unnecessary category layer and things should be returned to how they were before they disruptively did this massive reorganization without asking for any consensus. That will probably require a manual merge back. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/oppose. These are not merely "themes" as you claim, these are actual genres. I created these categories because it seemed logical, but Category:Video games by genre is already dedicated to sorting games by their gameplay genre. Horror, fantasy, science fiction, etc are all narrative genres related to plot, setting, themes, or aesthetics. I did not subjectively label these as genres. Your argument just amounts to thinking that any alterations to your own subjectively preferred category order are bad. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am simply proposing a return to the order that has been there for ages since 2009, not my own "subjective" order. You have the burden of proving yours makes sense and isn't an overlap of some kind, not me, as you are the one who just created a new category scheme unprompted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm: Do you really think it's better just because it's been static for years? Can you prove that these are all just "themes" instead of genres? It makes better sense to connect these categories to Category:Video games by genre instead of Category:Video games by theme. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stable usually means it's working as intended. I'm not saying new categories shouldn't be added if they are necessary but things should also not be "fixed" if there is no evident problem and they are not broken.

If you believe they aren't themes, maybe the right thing to do would be to request a move for that category rather than making a new one and provide proof they aren't. Because by leaving that one alone, you seem to agree they are. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zxcvbnm: I only think that a distinction should be made for defining video game genres in two different ways: gameplay and story. Category:Video games by genre already covers all the traditional gameplay genres for video games, while Category:Video games by narrative genre is meant for all the typical storytelling genres associated with books, comics, movies, and TV shows. AHI-3000 (talk) 22:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning to support. Category:Video games by narrative genre mostly seems to contain subcategories with the theme as an adjective in the category name, which isn't a good basis for categorization. The category is an odd mix in content. For example horror is generally considered to be a genre but crossover isn't. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Marcocapelle: Most of what I've listed in this category are indeed what most people can agree are common genres of fiction. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 (talk) 01:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Genres are not limited to common themes, but also to the tone of the work. Dimadick (talk) 07:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Feni SC to Category:Feni Soccer Club.

Nominator's rationale: Its the club's official name 1, 2, 3. FNH004 (talk) 11:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - using 'SC' is standard, see Category:Football clubs in Bangladesh. GiantSnowman 18:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ok FNH004 (talk) 06:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The topic/set category argument is very solid PAG-wise. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Turing machine to Category:Turing machines

Nominator's rationale: Should be plural per similar categories. Ixfd64 (talk) 06:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose. It contains not only machines, but things related to them. Instead, it makes sense to create a subcategory specifically for machines. --Altenmann >talk 06:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, this is a topic category, not a set category. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: not merged. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 15:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:NASCAR by year to Category:NASCAR seasons

Nominator's rationale: As Category:NASCAR seasons is described as 'This category contains articles on individual years in NASCAR.' I suggest to merge these categories accordingly. Robby (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merging, support placing Category:NASCAR by year into Category:NASCAR seasons and update the description of Category:NASCAR seasons to reflect the fact that it contains NASCAR seasons (rather than NASCAR years). Category:NASCAR seasons is a fairly large category, so I am not sure how this would help navigation. Additionally, the year categories are already in the decade categories, which are already in Category:NASCAR seasons (for instance, Category:2015 in NASCAR is in Category:2010s in NASCAR is in Category:NASCAR seasons). Therefore, merging would violate WP:DIFFUSE. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per HouseBlaster. --Sakakami (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: consensus for Fayenatic London's proposal, as well as a more general consensus that the name "Wikipedia formatting templates" is preferable to "Wikipedia utility templates" and other alternatives. I confess I don't fully understand the implementation details, and I suspect much of it will need to be done manually, but I think it makes sense to have the bot merge Category:Wikipedia utility templates to Category:Wikipedia formatting templates, and people can work on recategorizing as appropriate from there. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 12:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Wikipedia utility templates to Category:Wikipedia templates by task

Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge to Category:Wikipedia templates by task, because the word "utility" doesn't mean anything specific. The description doesn't help either:

Templates in this category are used in articles, portals, templates, and other pages to help create and format those pages.

If you do not immediately find what you are looking for in here, try the subcategories.

Dumping everything into Category:Wikipedia templates by task will help subcategorizing the templates and the subcategories, once more of them are visible in the same category. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any history to suggest that templates being put directly into the by task category will get subcategorized through regular maintenance instead of just removing the by task category? Does the description at Category:Wikipedia templates by task need to be updated to indicate that templates should only be subcategorized instead of removed from that category before making this move? VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 18:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, Category:Sidebar templates by topic (9) together with Category:Sidebar templates (7) around four years ago used to have hundreds of templates directly in them. Partly, because of the weird naming until Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 27#Category:"Part of a series on" sidebar templates. The subcategorization by me started around the time of this discussion. A couple hundreds of subcategories were created, e.g. approximately 168 in these 500 edits.

Similarly, several thousand templates used to be in Category:Userboxes (1,007). There, several participants of the WikiProject Userboxes worked on it after the invitation (see also one, two, three, four, five). It was brought down to just the meta-templates (like {{Userbox}}), but then started climbing again. Nowadays, only Catfurball is working on it, as far as I know, so the counter is back up to eight hundred. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, I've already started subcategorizing Category:Wikipedia utility templates (0), starting with Repetition templates and HTML single tag templates/Wikipedia XHTML tag-replacing templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the rationale: in terms of assumed purpose, Category:Wikipedia utility templates is indistinguishable from Category:Wikipedia templates, as all templates are utilities,^[a] and all templates are expected to have some utility.^[b] —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Maybe Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates should have gone in the other direction, i.e. merging utility to formatting and function, but there was a similar complaint about the word "function". I can't support the current nomination as it stands, because (i) the target should remain a container category, (ii) some of the templates held directly in "utility templates" currently have no other parent, and (iii) the usefulness of making a temporary incorrect merge looks marginal to me. I suggest splitting to multiple targets: Category:Wikipedia templates by task (for the subcats), Category:Wikipedia formatting templates (currently a longstanding redirect), and more specific categories – new ones if needed – for other functions. The other "function and formatting" subcats should follow likewise – either formatting templates or something else. – Fayenatic London 10:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fayenatic london, thank you for your detailed reply. Maybe Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates should have gone in the other direction – oh, I haven't realized that "formatting and function" category is gone, this flew under my radar. I don't like the name "formatting and function" at all as well. Any template that has non-zero amount of parameters does some formatting to them.^[c] The word "function" is completely useless in a category name, as others have pointed out.
    For your points (i), (ii), and (iii) – the potential outcome doesn't bother me as it seems to bother you, because having useless category names, which can't be consistently used, bothers me more. In the trade-off I prefer a big pile of templates to sift through over several piles, especially if people start to disagree about the exact purposes of the piles. For me it seems easier to see patterns emerge in one big category, at least this was my experience in subcategorizing per topic – sidebars and userboxes as mentioned above, and also navboxes in more recent years.^[d] —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    As the person who started Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 28#Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates, I like FL's suggestion. Support that. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I like the idea with Wikipedia formatting templates as well. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:18th-century Carniolan painters to Category:18th-century Carniolan people and Category:Carniolan painters

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. This is an isolated underpopulated category, with limited diffusion value given the size of Category:Carniolan painters (5) category. Mason (talk) 00:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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