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The result was redirect to Detroit Gems. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:29, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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With respect to the possibility of offline sources, I cannot find anything online about this subject, other than the occasional database source (WP:NOTDATABASE) and the non-RS blogspot link already on the article. Other sources for a person named "Walt Czarnecki" are for Walter P. Czarnecki, a business executive in the automotive/motorsport industry. Fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Basketball, and Michigan. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment For these older players, if there is anything significant on them online, it is much more likely found on Newspapers.com rather than Google. It isn't uncommon for these professional players to have been stars in college and gained significant coverage there. If nothing is found I would suggest a redirect to Detroit Gems. Alvaldi (talk) 21:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, jp×g 22:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Plenty of hits for this name involved with motorsports and Penske racing; I suspected it might be the same person but this basketball player died in 1995 or so an the motorsports person still has hits in 2002. Oaktree b (talk) 02:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Walter P. Czarnecki is still alive and providing quotes to journalists on behalf of his employer as of this month. For this reason I'm not opposed to disambiguating the page, with a link to Detroit Gems and to Team Penske. [1] - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 15:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I looked in the Library of Congress newspaper archive for "Walt Czarnecki" and "basketball", from the 1770's to the 1960s and got zero hits. I don't think he was a high level player. Oaktree b (talk) 02:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I also tried in the New York State newspaper archive, and they only have record of a baseball player with this name [2]. Here's the Library of Congress search if anyone's interested [3]. I've used these databases over the years, they're the best freely available ones online, not a fan of newspapers.com. Oaktree b (talk) 02:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Detroit Gems. I did a search on Newspapers.com and while there are some hits, alternately under the names Walt, Walter and Charley, I didn't find anything significant. His inclusion on the Gems team indicates that he was known in Michican, or at least in Detroit, during his basketball years (he is mentioned as a high school star in one of the sources and I thought I had spotted another one that mentioned him as a star in college but I can't find it again). Redirects are WP:CHEAP. Alvaldi (talk) 10:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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