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The result was keep per WP:SNOW. Non-admin closure. MuZemike (talk) 01:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Unnotable MMO game that has not even been released yet and has no firm release date. Almost entire article is from promo pieces. Fails WP:N and WP:CRYSTAL -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep: As per this sources Neopets Founders Announce Innovative MMO Twin Skies - Kotaku, WarCry Interviews Twin Skies Director - WarCry, PAX08: Twin Skies interview - Massively, Meteor's Twin Skies To Feature Mobile Component - World in Motion, Meteor Games, the new studio from the creators of Neopets, has announced its first MMO called Twin Skies - GameDaily, Meteor Games Announces Twin Skies - GameSpot, All Twin Skies Articles - IGN, Twin Skies Image Gallery -BigWorld Technology, Meteor Games Announces Twin Skies, Gamasutra, Twin Skies Announced and Screens - Gamershell, - GameZone, 'Twin Skies' Announced - WorthPlaying, Meteor Games Announces Twin Skies - WorldNews. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Their own press releases do not speak to notability. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then what does?. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable coverage by third party sources. Actual news reports/etc, not just repeating the press release contents. The press releases can be used as reliable sources, but can not speak to notability as anyone can send out a ton of press releases to make themselves appear notable. Its whether other sources talk about the game outside of those press releases that makes it notable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is that so?. Then most of the articles can be deleted because all of them have the same information. Seriously when the Publisher has only sent press release that is all the information there is. Other information would be released when the companies desire so.--SkyWalker (talk) 14:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's my point. If the only news reports about it are the press releases, it isn't notable. All companies do it and most news services will at least post the press releases. That isn't notability. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, the coverage on GameSpot and IGN, probably the two strongest and reliable internet sources we use on WP for video games, alone convinces me of substantial coverage for this game—the IGN articles in particular are not reports of press releases. While not all the sources posted by Skywalker could be seen as reliable, there appears to be enough sources available to attest to notability though coverage in reliable, secondary sources. -- Sabre (talk) 14:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep there definitely seems to be sources, it's from notable people, and it's far enough along and has generated sufficient attention that even in the unlikely event that it's cancelled it will still be notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep SkyWalker's links prove notability, particularly through the GameSpot sources. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Theres enough sources and coverage to be kept. --Banime (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes WP:N and WP:RS. If anything it is a borderline crystal ball --Pmedema (talk) 17:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There are enough reliable sources, and SkyWalker's links show many of them, particularly Gamespot, which as mentioned before, is a reliable resource. As for press-releases, since this game is currently being established, that's where people will get info. SuperHamster (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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