- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Extensive source analysis and further discussion confirms satisfying WP:NPOL. Discussion regarding exact title can be continued elsewhere. Goldsztajn (talk) 04:58, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 March 7. Sources were provided late in the previous AfD, so please focus your discussion on whether these sources are sufficient to meet notability guidelines. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Egypt. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Conducted a brief search and found no suitable sources. Not notable. Delectopierre (talk) 04:22, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Sources have been provided in previous AfD to show that he was an MP and therefore satisfies notability guidelines (WP:NPOL). Obi2canibe (talk) 11:36, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- I haven't reviewed all the sources because I'm having trouble translating them, but I would just point out that merely being an MP does not guarantee notability, just suggests it. Separately, all of the information in the article must still comply with the verifiability policy and come from reliable sources. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 14:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- What is at stake in an AfD is to judge the notability of the article subject. Here WP:NPOL is pretty straight-forward ("The following are presumed to be notable: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels"). Whatever requirements for clean-up the article should be dealt with in the article and its talk page, not in the AfD discussion. --Soman (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- I haven't reviewed all the sources because I'm having trouble translating them, but I would just point out that merely being an MP does not guarantee notability, just suggests it. Separately, all of the information in the article must still comply with the verifiability policy and come from reliable sources. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 14:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment the article claims that the subject is a MP by which it passes NPOL.User:Soman in the last AFD listed - Al-Ahrar article from 1986 which claimed that he was a MP and his photo was there.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, if he's verifiably an MP, then he's notable per NPOL. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:54, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Can someone who speaks Arabic cite the source given in the article? WikiProject Unreferenced Articles is trying to clear out the backlog for May 2009, which is the source of a lot of the attention this article is getting, as it is currently the last one, so I would add it but I unfortunately am not fluent. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, I don't think we should delete it, maybe we can get someone who speaks arabic to translate the sources? He does seem to fall under NPOV though. Easternsahara (talk) 21:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - to repeat what @Turtlecrown: said at the previous AfD: the Arabic version of the page (ar:محمد طايع) from which this was translated (mirrored here), was deleted in 2010 due to lack of notability. No evidence of him found by searching for his name in Arabic except for this this memorial Facebook page. Kazamzam (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, Kazamzam, after Turtlecrown's post, 7 different sources confirming Tayea's role in the Egyptian parliament were posted in the previous AfD. Thus that statement was factually incorrect. Take for example (as it is the easiest to access) this article. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per user Delectopierre Variety312 (talk) 18:40, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, to summarize the refs we have are:
Source | Quote | Comment |
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Al-Ahrar (1986) | The title reads "السوايسة مهربون وتجار مخدرات و النائب محمد طايع يطالب بتحويله للمحاكمه" ("Al-Sawaisa [this should probably be reworded, refers to people in power in Suez] are smugglers and drug dealers, and MP Mohammed Taie demands that they be brought to trial.") | Full text article, fully applicable as reference. Al-Ahram major newspaper in Egypt. Clearly identifies Tayea as a Member of Parliament. Tayea illustrated in a photo. |
al-Muṣawwar (1984). p. 5 | "... وفى المنيا : حصل الوفد على مقعدين هما مقعد فاروق طه في الدائرة الاولى وأحمد شمرول في الدائرة محمد على طايع . وفى الاسكندرية : فاز الوفد وفى الدائرة الثالثة فاز الوفد بمقعدين في الدائرة الاولى على حين فاز الحزب الوطنى
بثمانية مقاعد وكان ..." |
This is clearly a listing of winning candidates from the 1984 Egyptian parliamentary election. But the Google Book text mark-up seems to have an error, there appears to be a missing word that would identify the precise constituency of Tayea. Can't see the full sentence due to snippet view. Due to snippet view, I can't see the title of the article, exact date of original publishing nor the author. Al-Musawar wiki article. |
Sabah al-Kheir (2000). p. 6 | "وهناك فوزية طايع زوجة المهندس محمد طايع النائب الراحل منذ أسابيع التي تنوى دخول المعركة في الأربعين أيضا" ("... and there is Fawzia Taie, the wife of the engineer Mohamed Taie, the late deputy a few weeks ago, who intends to enter the battle on the fortieth day as well.") | Snippet view on Google Books, but full sentence readable. Ar.wiki has an article on Sabah al-Kheir. Clearly identifies that Mohammed Tayea had been a member of parliament, that he was an engineer, that he was dead as of 2000 and that his widow was a candidate in election. |
[1] | "كبار السؤولين تتعلق بأوجد التعاون بين البلدين في مجالات النقل البري والبحري' والملاقات البرلمانيه . ويغادر وفد مجلس الشعب المعري عمان الى -العقية يوم الثلاثاه القادم عائنا الى نويبع ويضم الوقد البادة:, [...] ؛ محمد مرسي غربء محمود محيد داودء حافظ عبدء شيخدء وجييه الزلاياني..." ("Senior officials discussed cooperation between the two countries in the fields of land and maritime transportation and parliamentary meetings. The Egyptian People's Assembly delegation will leave Amman for Aqaba next Tuesday, heading to Nuweiba. The delegation includes: [...] Mohamed Morsi Gharbeh, Mahmoud Mohid Daoud, Hafez Abdel Shekhed, and Wagih Al-Zalayani. Mohammed Ali Tayea; ...")
محمد علي طايع؛ " |
1985 article in Jordanian newspaper Ad-Dustour, mentioning Tayea as part of an Egyptian parliamentary delegation. Contrary to comment made in the previous AfD, an equivalent of a congressional staffer would not have been mentioned as a delegation member in Middle East context. |
[2] | "...م تحدث محمد طايع ( حزب الوفد ) © لمحاميى القطاع العام والهيئات ما كانوا أسوة بما هى متيع" ("Mohamed Taie (Wafd Party) © spoke to the lawyers of the public sector and the bodies that they were not equal to what they are enjoying...") | Al-Akhbar article from 1985. The mark-up is horrible, but ties Tayea to the Wafd Party and seem to relate to parliamentary event. |
قضية مجارى الاسكندرية : جريمة العصر القصة الكاملة لتلويث مدينة و تدمير معالمها السياحية و الحضارية و البيئية | "ه - المهندس / محمد علی محمد طايع عضو لجنة الاسكان وقامت اللجنة بزيارة ميدانية لمحافظة الاسكندرية في الفترة من ١ - ٤ مارس سنة ١٩٨٥ اجتمعت خلالها بالسيد محافظ الاسكندرية ورئيس المجلس الشعبى المحلى وبعض أعضائه ورئيس هيئة الصرف الصح" | A book, seemingly polemical, has a mention of Engineer Tayea being a member of the Housing Committee, participating in a fact-finding mission instituted by the People's Assembly. The fact-finding committee happened in March 1984, so before the May 1984 election. |
مصطفى شردي من المهد إلى المجد | "مهندس محمد طايع - عضو مجلس الشعب السابق" ("Engineer Mohammad Tayea - former member of the People's Council [i.e. parliament of Egypt]") | A book, which mentions Tayea as former MP in passing (p. 188) |
--Soman (talk) 19:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Sources have been provided that indicate the subject does pass WP:NPOL. --Enos733 (talk) 23:01, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 03:58, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep here is his official page on the website of the Egyptian Parliament, confirming that he was an MP. Clear NPOL pass. Mccapra (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - that's a different Mohammed Tayea, also a member of the Egyptian parliament. Arguably the article of the AfD should be moved to Mohammed Ali Tayea, to differentiate from this the other MP Mohammed Tayea Saad Nasrallah Eid. --Soman (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I !voted delete in the previous nom due to lack of sources but Soman has proven that he’s indeed a MP hence passes NPOL. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 12:44, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
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