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The result was speedy delete clever hoax — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth Westman (writer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Superficially plausible but seems to be a clever WP:HOAX. To the extent I was able to look up the sources cited, they did not check out. Ref no 1, Burke, is available online in searchable form [1]. A search or "Westman" there does produce a single mention but it does not seem to be this one. Ref no 4, "The Old Boys: The Decline and Rise of the Public School", is available with a preview in Google Books.[2]. There is no mention of Westman in the book and nothing on pp. 125-126 given in Ref no. 4. Similarly, Ref no 6 "Entitled: A Critical History of the British Aristocracy"[3] is available in Google Books with a preview and does not contain any mention of Westman. The article claims that the subject was sworn as a member of the Privy Council of the United Kingdom in 1938, at the tender age of 31. The claim also sounds ridiculous. Not surprisingly, nothing about Westman in List of Privy Counsellors (1936–52) or in the sources used for the Privy Council appointment announcements such as the London Gazette[4]. Google searching of various kinds produces nothing of substance except various mirrors leading back to Wikipedia. The situation is similar with the companion page, Edwin Westman. Maybe I am completely barking up the wrong tree here, but to me this pair of articles appears to be a coordinated hoax. Nsk92 (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page, as discussed above:

Edwin Westman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Nsk92 (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Note: Some of the details relate to Kenneth Edwin Westman 1907-1964 but not all the facts fit. K E Westman was born in Penllyn/Cowbridge, South Wales on 2 Feb 1907 but his father was not "Edwin Westman", he was the son of William James Westman and Beatrice (nee Branch) Westman. Kenneth appears with his mother in the 1911 Census at Kilburn in London (she was born in London) but by 1912 he started at Pennline School in Cowbridge, Glamorganshire. In 1935 Kenneth is described as an Accountant and in 1937 as an "Observer". He did marry a "Jean Felicia Bedworth" in Lisbon, Portugal. The 1939 Register list Kenneth at 3 Upper Park Road in Hampstead and he is described as "Secretary - Accountant Statistician Linguist", he is described as married but his wife is not at home but his sister-in-law Margaret Caroline Bedworth a Teacher is living in the same house (His wife was in Durham with her parents). Kenneth died in 1964 in Kensington. His wife Jean died on Oxfordshire in 2003. Jean was the daughter of Bertam Bedworth (1878-1940) and Edith Emily (nee Dixon). Bertram's occupation is listed as "Chief Rate Fixer Electrical Engineering" in 1939. MilborneOne (talk) 09:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete entry appears to be the result of some dodgy genealogical research which is not born out by sources. I think we may have a bit of 2+2=5 stuff going on. Some of the info points to this being Kenneth Edwin Westman but a lot of the facts appear to be bogus. In fact all that can be proved is that he was born in 1907, died in 1964 and married Jean Bedworth. MilborneOne (talk) 09:42, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Edwin Westman - cant find any evidence that Edwin Westman as described exists (I can only find two Edwin's in late 19th Century one was a poultry farmer in Nottinghamshire and another was a "Piece Maker" in Bradford both appear to have died in the First World War. MilborneOne (talk) 09:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, thank you for looking into this carefully, much appreciated! Nsk92 (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both per MilborneOne....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I got a copy of the book "Entitled: A Critical History of the British Aristocracy" (listed as a source in both articles) from Amazon. No mention of either Westman there, including on pp. 33–35, 141, 399–402. Pages 33–35 deal with pre-Norman conquest England. Page 141 deals with the events of early 17-th century. Pages 400–402 are a part of the Index. Nsk92 (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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