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The result was redirect‎ to The Ramsey Show without prejudice against a selective merge. Owen× ☎ 22:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Coleman (radio host) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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There is no substantive RS coverage of the subject. The subject authored a "Wall Street Journal best-seller" but I'm not sure what that is and whether that meets WP:AUTHOR notability. The page was created by an editor who is creating lots of promotional pages for figures related to Dave Ramsey. Thenightaway (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Ramsey Show is the second-most popular radio show in the US and the hosts are well known across the country and have their own podcasts that have big audiences (which you can see from their YouTube views). I created this article because Coleman's notoriety and place as a co-host on the show warranted it.

What about this article sounded promotional? Was there too much biographical info? Are we not supposed to write that books are bestsellers? Are we not supposed to mention that certain recording artists have x amount of top 40 hits or that movies from a certain actor have made billions of dollars, for that matter? Because I've seen that on this platform as well. What is the standard?

I really want to know because I don't think the article deserves to be deleted. I'm happy adjusting to fit standards, and have attempted to do so in the past.

And I don't just edit Ramsey-related articles. I have edited and created articles on a variety of subjects from pop culture to Disney, music, etc. Ramsey was just something where I saw a need and filled it. 2719Hyperion (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Ramsey Solutions and/or The Ramsey Show, not seeing anything which suggests that the topic is of stand alone notability. GNG is not met and I don't think that any of the SNG are either... Best selling alone does not meet AUTHOR (you could buy your own books after all). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:28, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to The Ramsey Show: I don't know what from this page would be WP:DUE to merge there, but a redirect is an appropriate AtD here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed to a redirect if it turns out that there isn't really anything to merge. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't merging these articles with The Ramsey Show article make the latter a bit large? And I have seen quite a few biographical articles that contain thinner information than Coleman's. Why are those okay?

I can try and rewrite the article and resubmit for review. I don't think it warrants deletion. 2719Hyperion (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Coleman article should not remain in mainspace because as a subject he fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO and WP:NAUTHOR. But there's a valid reason per WP:ATD to redirect to a notable topic he is associated with, and it will preserve the page history if Coleman becomes notable in the future. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge with The Ramsey Show: After giving this some thought and after reviewing the GNG and SNG, I'm agreeing with this nomination. The Coleman article should be merged with The Ramsey Show, as Coleman is best known for being a co-host of the show. I will work on merging these articles by creating a section about the hosts on The Ramsey Show article and submit the article for review. 2719Hyperion (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.