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The result was redirect to Isabel de Josa. Note: I have ignored the comments in Spanish, please use English on the English Wikipedia! Randykitty (talk) 09:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isabella Losa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Eswiki user Enrique Cordero says that this is the same person as Isabel de Josa, with false biography data. We, ruwiki users, has found this two articles during interwiki management, and when me and Ghuron tries to delete eswiki's redirect from one name to another, Enrique Cordero says this redirect is correct. See:

• es:Usuario discusión:Ghuron#Isabel de Josa
• es:Usuario discusión:MBH#Isabella Losa
• es:Usuario discusión:Enrique Cordero#Re:Isabella Losa
• https://elretohistorico.com/isabel-losa-de-cordoba-josa-cardona/

MBH (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also ping user:Zapipedia MBH (talk) 17:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pueden agregar para más informción es:Usuaria discusión:Zapipedia#Isabella_Losa. --Enrique Cordero (talk) 22:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:BEFORE. When a biography is of a person outside of the Anglo world, the nominator must search a bit wider. Bearian (talk) 13:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. If there is a duplicate, which I do not concede, this is the wrong place. AfD is not for moves and mergers. Bearian (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated Isabella Losa to become a redirect to Isabel de Josa. Discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. DavidLeeLambert (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• @Bearian: where is the right place for moves and mergers to be considered? Dsp13 (talk) 20:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not Bearian, but I answered on your talk page, Dsp13. Joyous! Noise! 20:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This source from the article says Losa is often confused with Isabel de Josa i de Cardona, a Catalan noblewoman, also said to have studied theology. The site cites another book which doesn't appear to be available online. Ping me if a source is found to contradict this one. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC) [reply]

  I've found a copy of the other book online, but it doesn't seem to mention the topic of this article. Instead, it's a bio of Isabel de Josa. Still, since there's a source that distinguishes the two, I think the article should be kept unless otherwise proven to be a duplicate. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Allá ustedes, pero nada de lo que dice el artículo es verdad: no existía universidad en Córdoba y no ha existido hasta 1972, el título de Doctor of Divinity no existe y nunca ha existido en España; las mujeres no tenían acceso a la universidad y, de haberlo tenido, no habría cruzado la península para irse desde Cardona hasta Córdoba a estudiar a una universidad inexistente, lo habría hecho en Lleida, que la tenía mucho más cerca y además existía. Convertirse de golpe en abadesa de una orden religiosa femenina tras enviudar solo se le puede ocurrir a quien no sepa nada de cómo funcionan las órdenes religiosas: antes tendrían que haber hecho votos, profesado... y sería abadesa de un convento concreto, no de la orden en su totalidad. Y el hospicio de Vercelli lo fundó Isabel de Josa. Las fuentes que utilizan son terciarias y bastante malas, como lo es esa última que invoca Presidentman para sostener que son dos personas distintas, ¿de verdad esa fuente vale lo que una tesis doctoral?

Lecturas recomendadas:

• Martín Nicolás, Vanessa, «Isabel de Josa, el impulso femenino en la fundación de la Confraria de la Sang de Barcelona (1536)», en Autoridad, poder e influencia: mujeres que hacen historia, coord. por Asociación Española de Investigación de Historia de las Mujeres; Henar Gallego Franco (ed. lit.), María del Carmen García Herrero (ed. lit.), Vol. 2, 2017. ISBN 978-84-9888-793-8, págs. 635-649
• Sáez García, M. Ángeles; Jiménez Sureda, Montserrat, Isabel de Josa: una insòlita dona catalana del segle XVI, Trabajo de posgrado, Dipòsit digital de documents de la UAB, 2015.
• Sáez García, M.ª Ángeles, Creure, somniar, lluitar: Barcelona en femení i l'aventura espiritual d'Isabel de Josa (1490-1564), tesis doctoral presentada en la Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona, 2018. Director: Ricardo García Cárcel.

Saludos, Enrique Cordero (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect based on the sources and explanation provided above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect The Project Continua source is tertiary or, at best, secondary. As Enrique Cordero says, the University of Córdoba didn't exist before 1972. The El Reto Historico source [1] convinces me pretty well. DavidLeeLambert (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Also, the Catalan pages corresponding to the two English articles both use the same image! DavidLeeLambert (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.