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The result was Delete. This article has been given much more than reasonable benefit of the doubt, but remains patently unsuitable. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 00:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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After two "keep and clean up" AfDs, the article remains anything but cleaned up. As the maintenance tags say, it lacks evidence of notability, is written like a fansite, is confusing, lacks independent sources, is stuffed full of in-universe and neologistic mateiral, and closes with a linkfarm. Guy (Help!) 23:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete - with a lack of reviews or commentry for this game in the gaming media ([1] is the nearest I can find; translation?), the article's notability is being propped up by the "South Korea's Ministry of Culture" award. The reference provided for this is not an independent source, so the article still fails WP:V for the third time running. If reliable, independent sources for this claim (perhaps from the ministry directly) I might swing to a keep; if this is the afd result then the article will require gutting and rewriting in accordance with WP:VG/GL. Marasmusine (talk) 17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Question - If it is notable in the Korean Wikipedia then can that be used to help show notability for this article? Argel1200 (talk) 19:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would presume this means that there are sources presently in Korean that demonstrate it to be notable? if this was the case, you'd want to get translations of them but they would help support notability on en.wiki. --MASEM 05:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no independent reliable source to establish notability.--Boffob (talk) 14:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete notability in korean wp does not mean notability in en version. --MaNeMeBasat (talk) 15:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The various wikipedias are free to set their own policies, so something can be kept on one and not another and vice versa. Article has had plenty of chance to get into shape, and it's finally time to acknowledge it just isn't happening. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, for now Just because it is a Korean game does not mean that is should only be on the korea wiki. It is a game that is played both by americans and korean(though i cant get a source yet). And just because there is not alot of reviews for it does not mean it should be deleted. Maple story has only one review, yet i dont see anyone debating its deletion. Now then, if someone doesnt decide to clean it up, then i fully support deletion. SSBBchamp (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete A couple of years is plenty long enough to get secondary sources to demonstrate notability, unless they don't exist. No in-depth reliable reviews are coming from a search, and I'm not willing to accept some government award as a valid substitute for solid reviews, games in the running for major awards have no shortage of other coverage. Someoneanother 09:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.