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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 02:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apple Attachment Unit Interface

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I've prodded this a year ago with "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded by a user with a bizarre comment "Give a reason when you add a PROD", and who also did not ping me back, despite my request (in the PROD) for such a ping. Shrug. The article hasn't improved in trhe year+ since, still sports just one reference and is pretty much a WP:OR essay on a minor piece of technology with no apparent notability (GScholar returns just 14 results, all in passing). Let's discuss. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Low quality article in its current state but the association with Apple puts it a hair above the notability bar IMHO.
Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Barnards.tar.gz WP:NOTINHERITED cares to disagree. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I could rephrase. The high notability of Apple makes it seem likely that better sources will be uncovered eventually. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Barnards.tar.gz I hope you won't mind me directing you now to WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you are right, it's a bad argument.
However, it didn't take me long to uncover a couple of additional sources that include some details about the AAUI:
  • Larry Hanson - 1993 - Everything you wanted to know about the Mac - ISBN: 1568300581 - archive.org
  • Networking Explained, 2nd edition - ISBN: 9780080512594 - O'Reilly
Both are paragraph-level coverage rather than in-depth, but still nontrivial and not just in passing.
A source for the pinout information is here, with the primary source being Apple's site (after tracing through a few broken archive.org links).
In terms of commentary, the AAUI was featured in a page 1 article of InfoWorld Vol 13 Issue 1, 1991 (albeit on the page 8 continuation of the article). What's particularly interesting about this somewhat critical coverage is that it underlines Apple's longstanding practice of using proprietary technology instead of industry standards, but from an early-90s viewpoint rather than the more modern examples we are used to.
I guess this all leads me to seeing WP:POTENTIAL.
Also for consideration: the article has a dozen or so incoming links which would turn red if it were to be deleted.
Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 22:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Barnards.tar.gz Thank you for the sources. I am unsure if that's enough, but that's more than we had. Any chance you could remove unreferenced content in the article, see what can be referenced/added, and then we could consider whether this can stand as a stand-alone article, or perhaps be redirected? The problem is that right now we still have an OR-ish, de facto unreferenced essay visible to the readers, and the soruces you found are somewhat borderline. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:55, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I shall try at some point, but I am out of time for the next couple of weeks. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 21:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Barnards.tar.gz There is the option of draftifying this in your userpace instead of regular deletion/keeping. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus, please see WP:NOTCLEANUP ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kvng But given current state of article, I'll counter with WP:TNT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus, I would say you're moving the goal posts. Your stated rationale for deletion was a notability concern. Someone finds some sources and now you say the article is crap. We can fault the article for not being well sourced but Barnards.tar.gz has identified some sources and now we just need to apply them. This is not remotely a WP:TNT situation. ~Kvng (talk) 12:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, hard deleting at this point is not ideal, I agree. The solution of cutting this down to bare minimum (def) and expanding from sources found if someone wants would address the OR essay concerns. If enough editors think this should be kept, well, fine. I don't think the notability is obvious from the sources found, but neither is the lack of it as glaring as it was before. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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