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The result was keep. --BDD (talk) 18:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia articles should not be about events which have not yet taken place per the following policy: WP:BALL. KDS4444^Talk 14:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The games start in less than a month, but the season has technically already started for Wiki purposes. Wikipedia allows areas that fall under sports season talkbacks to be prepared and posted in advance of games being played. Furthermore, part of the season talkback is recruiting. The recruiting took place in April, which means that the actual season talkback could have began back in April. Additional parts of season talkbacks include coaching changes, which typically take place back in January and February. All these items fall under the next seasons team status, and since all of these have already taken place, then the page isn't posted in advance of any event outside the games.Bigddan11 (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please indicate the specific policy page stating such an exception (not that I don't believe you, but I want to know so that I don't make the mistake of nominating a season talkback article for premature deletion in the future). Thanks! KDS4444^Talk 16:12, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My entire point, that you apparently didn't understand, is that the season has already started for these teams. The Spring Games, that take place in March/ April, the national letter of intent day that takes place in February, the Conference Media Day that takes place in July, and any coaching changes that take place all go under the classification of the 2013 season, not the 2012 season, meaning this talkback is actually overdue, as it should have been created for NLI day in February. If you want to look at some clear exceptions to the rule of not creating a talkback before a game takes place, just look at Super Bowl XLIX, 2014 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament, and 2014 Winter Olympics (to point out just a few). In all these cases, the event is allowed to be posted as soon as the city is selected, and in the case of something like the Summer Olympics, they already have pages created through 2020. Bigddan11 (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And my entire point, which apparently you didn't understand, was to provide a link to the policy which states the exception to the rule(as was done by another editor below). There was no need to be uncivil. The request was a friendly but your response was not. I withdraw my deletion nomination and ask you to be more polite about responding to such a request from other editors in the future. KDS4444^Talk 18:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't read that as being uncivil, just not exactly clear nor complete in responding to the original request.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was actually going to post the reasoning behind why sports Wiki articles are allowed on the 26th, but when I got on to do so, Paulmcdonald had already posted why the exception exists. On the 25th though I was trying to help you realize when the season begins for these teams. It doesn't begin with the first game. It doesn't begin when practices start in August. It begins all the way back in February, with National Letter of Intent Day. I apologize if I seemed rude or belligerent, for that was never my intent. Obviously I side with those that say KEEP for the reasons listed and because the season has already started when you look at NLI day being the first day of the new season for these football teams.Bigddan11 (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. SL93 (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep there presently is already information in the media about the season. Although the first game of the season has yet to be played, significant discussion about the season has begun and that is enough to pass the requirement of WP:CRYSTAL, specifically point 1: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." The season clearly passes WP:GNG for notability and it is almost certain to take place, thus clearly passing the threshold.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, obviously, for all of the reasons cited above by Paulmcdonald. The season opening is only a month away, and any chance that the games won't be played is so minuscule as to be virtually nil. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:02, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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