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The result was keep‎. Article in question is sourced well enough and the sources do support the article. (non-admin closure) Sheriff U3 13:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Ode-to-Napoleon" hexachord (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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The article is poorly written and the citations do not verify the existence of an "'Ode to Napoleon' hexachord". Trumpetrep (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:26, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Looking at the Friedmann 1990 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFFriedmann1990 (help) book, the very first source cross-referenced by the article body, I find on page 113:

  This hexachord, called by some the "magic" hexachord, is used in Schoenberg's Ode to Napoleon Bonaparte.

  Similarly, the Straus 2005 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFStraus2005 (help) book does call (014589) "the hexatonic collection" on page 97 and then proceed to have a section about the hexatonic collection on page 149. Then some quick searching to find something not cited by the article turns up Richard Cohn's Audacious Euphony which says in a footnote to "a hexatonic scale, alternating semitone and minor third" on page 20:

  Jazz players know the same pattern as the augmented scale, […] It has also been referred to variously as the Ode to Napoleon collection, Miracle hexachord, Liszt model, source-set E, 1:3 collection, and set class 6–20.

  All these certainly seem like a lot of verification of the existence of this. Uncle G (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Speedy Keep The statement by the proposer that "the citations do not verify the existence of an 'Ode to Napoleon' hexachord" is false and it is peculiar that the proposer has made this statement, given the fact that they do. Aneirinn (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep because Uncle G pointed out that citations in the article, and some others, contradict the nominator's claim. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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