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Hi kevmin, I wanted to asko you about the fate of the article Esociformes, as we know that Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes now describes the fishes of Esociformes under the order Salmoniformes, I wanted to ask you what will be the fate of the article Esociformes when someone updates the taxonomy of these fishes, will it be deleted, merged or something else, could you please tell me? Source: https://www.calacademy.org/scientists/catalog-of-fishes-classification/ Codonified (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Morning @Codonified: When an editor eventually updates Salmoniformes and Esociformes, the latter could be either redirected to Salmoniformes as everything will be discussed there. Or Esociformes could be updated with pros to reflect it as an historically recognized taxon such as Labyrinthodontia.--Kevmin § 17:34, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks bro :D Codonified (talk) 00:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey kevmin, hope you are doing well. I'm kinda confused as to whom to believe in regards to who the author of Gonorynchiformes and its parent clade(Anotophysi) is, could you help me, also the author for its family Gonorynchidae, i edited based on what I saw, but now I have my doubts, could you please clear them? Codonified (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning Codonified, it looks like Gonorynchidae has a bit of a messy nomenclatural history all revolving around the inclusion of a first "h". This taxonomic treatment at Plazi gives the details, but boiling it down Gonorhynchidae Richardson 1848 WOULD the accepted name while Gonorynchidae Fowler, 1941 WOULD be its jr synonym that was named and described without need. An ICZN ruling on the name based on the arguments put forth by the 2016 article Plazi references agreed that the "prevailing usage" clause should take precedent, and so Richardsons spelling has now been deemed the synonym and Fowler is considered the valid name/authority/year. From what I find the authorities for Anotophysi and Gonorynchiformes are correct, keeping in mind that the ICZN does not regulate nomenclature above family so things area often a bit murky. The name Gonorynchiformes was first used by Berg in 1940 but for a different composition and circumscription, and thus does not seem to be considered synonymous.--Kevmin § 19:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again😀

You are so kind.

Do you think the title therefore should be changed from Gonorynchidae to Gonorhynchidae?

Whatever is your opinion will be mine as well :D Codonified (talk) 20:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As it does appear that the ICZN as made Gonorhynchidae the synonym, the page is at the correct placement, and what should happen is the authority corrected to Fowler, 1941 with prose added to the article explaining the situation.--Kevmin § 20:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you say sir! Codonified (talk) 20:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it satisfactory now?

Also what is fowler's full name? Because there is two fowlers

Henry Weed Fowler and William Weekes Fowler. Codonified (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I see looks good, no issues and both names are present.--Kevmin § 00:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

that's what i wanted to hear🤠 Codonified (talk) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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