The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This is for your contributions to Kutty Ahammed Kutty. Pachu Kannan (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pachu KannanThank you so much for the barnstar! I am glad my contributions were helpful. Junbeesh (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I saw that your talk page welcomes new messages and comments ad I am not sure I am doing this correctly (if not forgive me, i can delete this at your request) but I just wanted to ask for your help. I saw that you reviewed a page that I was working on, Draft:Sabina Kodra and you moved it to drafts because of insufficent sources. I did some changes to that a month ago and i added more sources, i replaced IBMD links with more relevant links. But until now no one has reviewed it and was wondering if you might have time to review it again or offer feedback. I work for Sabina and she is asking me if there is any update and im in a difficult situation. If you can please take a look, i would be very appreciative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidabaci (talk • contribs) 10:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nidabaci Replacing IBMD links alone is not sufficient. There are other issues as well—the draft contains several primary and potentially unreliable or non-independent sources. For example, references 2, 3, and 4 are all primary sources, which are generally not suitable for establishing notability or verifying information on Wikipedia. The platform relies on secondary, independent, and reliable sources to ensure content is well-sourced and verifiable. Additionally, some sentences in the article lack citations to support the information presented.

If Sabina requested you to create this article, you have a conflict of interest, which should be disclosed per WP:COI.

Please review WP:RS and WP:COI to better understand Wikipedia's sourcing and conflict-of-interest policies. Junbeesh (talk) 08:46, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello there, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! I wanted to reach out because I noticed your recent draftication of Draft:Purnagiri Jan Shatabdi Express, which occurred within one minute of the article being meaningfully edited ([1]). Per WP:DRAFTNO, articles shouldn't be draftified if they are actively being edited. In practice, this means articles shouldn't be draftified if they have been meaningfully edited in the past hour.

I understand and sympathize with wanting unsourced articles out of main space, but we also need to recognize that it can come across as bitey to draftify an article too quickly -- especially considering that articles in mainspace do not need to be complete, and editors are allowed to develop articles in the mainspace .

I hope this makes sense. Thank you again for all your help making Wikipedia better. It's definitely appreciated! Take care, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 09:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade When this article was created, it was unsourced from the start. I moved it to draft after 50 minutes, which I believe was ample time for the creator to add references. I waited, expecting them to do so, but they didn't. Another editor even added an 'unreferenced' tag, yet 15 minutes later, there were still no sources. The article still appears incomplete and would benefit from thorough referencing. Why not keep it in draft space so the creator can work on it at their own pace and move it to the mainspace once it's fully sourced and complete? Junbeesh (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Although the article had been created almost an hour earlier, it was still actively being edited. While it may be better for editors to create articles in draftspace (I would prefer this, too!), they are not required to do so. Unless serious problems exist (e.g., copyright or personal attacks), it is best practice to let editors continue working on their articles in the mainspace. Once they are no longer working on it (as evidenced by not editing for at least an hour and/or removing an {{under construction}} tag), you are free to move to draftspace as appropriate.

As someone who helps out with new editors, the biggest issues I have seen with premature draftification include new editors becoming distraught ("Where did my article go??") or feeling attacked, both of which hurt editor retention. Additionally, editors will sometimes quickly recreate the same article in the mainspace and/or move the draft back to the mainspace, both of which can make things more difficult for more experienced editors because at that point, we may still be dealing with a potentially unsourced article, but now we don't have the option to draftify. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 09:55, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade Got it! I'll keep that in mind and be more careful moving forward. Thanks for the clarification! Junbeesh (talk) 10:02, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I noticed you draftified Draft:USA Cup/Intercontinental Cup 1950 after it had already been draftified by @Significa liberdade, and then moved back to mainspace by the article author. In cases like these you should either discuss it on talk pages or go straight to WP:AfD. This is explained more in WP:DRAFTOBJECT. FozzieHey (talk) 14:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FozzieHey I agree with you, but the page creator didn't add a single source and just moved the article straight to mainspace. I know that if a creator moves their article back to mainspace, it's usually not appropriate to draftify it again per WP:DRAFTOBJECT. But this article has serious issues like poor formatting and not enough inline citations, so it really doesn't belong in mainspace in its current state. I didn't send it to AfD because the topic seems notable. When it was draftified the first time, the creator automatically got a notification on their talk page, so I didn't leave a separate message. But they ignored it and moved the article right back to mainspace. The second draftification was to see if they'd take a step back and actually fix the article before moving it again, especially since two different editors already opposed keeping their incomplete version in mainspace. Junbeesh (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all, I just thought I'd let you know. In the future I would just treat the first draftify as a WP:BOLD move, and if the author reverts it then raise it via other means, whether that's talk pages or AfD. The essay saying "an article should only be unilaterally moved to draftspace a single time" in bold is written like that to avoid a WP:MOVEWAR I imagine. As for that article, I'll leave another message on the author's talk page and we can see if they'll respond. FozzieHey (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions to Ruti Joel. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]