Hi, hope you are doing well, all I can say is that I loved your contributions on articles covering South Asian football, and your contributions in Pakistan articles, as you can see it was a whole mess with much of information missing. I am yet to finish the whole revamp and add as much information as you did in Bangladesh articles I'm impressed by that. I just saw you added Kabir Ahmed along with Abdul Ghafoor which was already there scoring the goals in the match against Israel in the 1960 Asian Cup qualifiers in the Pakistan national football team results page. Can you provide a source for that because the only thing I could find here states someone by the name "Amar" and Faqir Hussain scoring the goals.

Also if you have the time and more information about the stats of the matches in the page please feel welcome to contribute as much in the Pakistan related articles, your countributions are very helpful here. Cheers and thank you very much Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found the info about Kabir's goal against Israel in a Book. However, I did not add Ghafoor in the scorer list, it was done beforehand by someone else. FNH004 (talk) 17:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just found the report of the match with all the lineups, unfortunately with the goals missing on the Pakistan side. According to RSSSF this was the Line-up: Mohd Siddique - Irshad Mohammed, Abid Hussain, Abdul Ghafoor, Abdul Qayum Khan Changezi - Kabir Ahmed, Masoodul Hassan, Abdullah - Fakir Hussain, Mohd Oomer, Abdullah Yusuf. Kabir was indeed present in the midfield, but before your replacement it stated Omar as one of the scorers, which is of the forwards in the lining, and also bears resemblance with the name in the 11vs11 report. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, yes the goals are showing in the end, Mohammad Omer scoring in the 49th minute and Abdul Ghafoor scoring in the 57th minute, so the details were accurate before. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ig u should change it according to the RSSSF report FNH004 (talk) 06:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks FNH004 (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well im not new to wikipedia so, i dont understand why your acting like an admin and policing me around. I certainly did not do anything wrong while editing those pages (if so bring it up to an admin and have me blocked or sth) and Id like it if you'd stop bothering me. Thanks. FNH004 (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So if you're not new here, could you maybe explain why you're adding unreliable sources like forum and a WP:RSSELF to contentious topics? And no I don't want you to get blocked. You're a valuable editor here. I just need to let you know that what you're doing isn't appropriate! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who said it was unreliable other than you? First, consult with an admin and if he/she agrees with you, delete them all you want I could not care less tbh. You can't be making decisions on Wikipedia on your own without dispute. The site has been used to source numerous articles which were accepted after review, so I don't understand how all of a sudden you deem it unreliable. I've also noticed that you have been removing sources constantly from articles without consulting an admin or any higher authority on Wiki. I suggest you stop policing football articles since you have very little knowledge about them. FNH004 (talk) 14:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. Football is not my thing and that I've very little knowledge about them but that's not what's important here. We're talking about whether a source is reliable or not, but it seems like you might not be aware of WP:RSSELF which clearly states Internet forums are all examples of self-published media. and that Never use self-published sources as independent sources about other living people, even if the author is an expert. Use WP:COMMONSENSE! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about you WP:STFU and get an admins approval to remove sources from the specific site. I've noticed you're currently amidst discussion, so until it reaches conclusion you should refrain from removing sources, since so far, from most reviewers, the cite has been considered acceptable. FNH004 (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an admin I'm telling you to not add blogs to articles/list/pages for the use of referencing as they arent considered reliable for this matter. As an admin I'm also telling you to watch your language or youll be on the end of a short sharp block Amortias (T)(C) 15:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

none of them were blogs btw please just discuss here and stop bothering me FNH004 (talk) 15:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Another admin here - stop using blogs, and also the next time you tell someone to "STFU" or similar you'll be blocked indefinitely. If you want to continue contributing here, follow the rules or be blocked. Black Kite (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I understand, but what "blogs"? None of the sources I used were blogs. According to their consensus, the sources might be unreliable, but they are not blogs. FNH004 (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And also what do you mean by "No"?? FNH004 (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Kite and Amortias: Please note the namecalling in edit summary Kazi Salahuddin (Diff 1226419883) —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's somehow an insult? OMFG 0 freedom of speech on this site cant say anything. Anyhow, if that somehow offended you I do apologise. FNH004 (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Kite and Amortias: Could you please communicate the said user to just stop vandalising pages. It seems it's not only me or FNH004 who are having problems with him, so maybe he needs to rectify himself as he has done the same mistake with someone else before. I will let him do whatever it pleases him if he has a problem with a certain source and just move on and sort all that mess he created out if he deems it as a "blog" or whatever, but just had a look at this and now I am seeing RSSSF (have a look at the intro of the page for information about what it is) is "unacceptable source". Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 18:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Throwawayjamal047, Thanks for highlighting that, it was a mistake on my part. I'm sure that no other reliable source was deleted. If there was, please provide the diff. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, FNH004, Please, slow down. I agree with @Saqib and other admins above that your behavior is clearly immature. Name-calling isn't going to get you anywhere. Your immaturity in the RSN thread is even more concerning. Saqib highlighted legitimate concerns with the source in question, and what was your response? Name calling in a diff, like a 4 year old. This is highly unacceptable for an editor with over 20!K edits to their name, and a potential violation of WP:NPA. I am genuinely mad at your behavior, I would say something worse, but NPA prevents me from doing that. (You can construct a sentence yourself with the f and s words.) Please be careful, I can tell that you are one nanometer away from a block. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Damn relax my boi, I'm done arguing with that guy, its been two or three days since and I've forgotten about him. I only got mad because he started removing content without consulting an admin or coming to a unanimous decision first and I understand that I got a little too emotional (my bad). Also, he has a knack for accusing people without proof, which naturally can piss anyone off. Anyways, I'm done with that dispute so dw. FNH004 (talk) 10:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	You are a net positive for the project and have written some really important articles. There is only one active editor on Bangladeshi sports articles, and that is you. Remember to keep calm and take a break if things become too heated. I have seen too many good editors catch bans for silly things. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After carefully examining the squads for the 1960 and 1962 editions of the Merdeka Cup where Pakistan participated, it is very possible that this picture [1] belongs to the 1960 edition instead of 1962 where the team finished finalist, as Qayyum Changezi is present there and he wasn't participating in 1962. This article also affirms the pic belong to 1960, while here it says it is the finalist team in 1962. Just asking, is the man standing at the left of the Malayan PM Sheikh Saheb Ali who coached in 1960. Looks like him but not sure. If so then it will clear my confusion.

1960 squad: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0003221/19600802/158/0008

1962: https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0003221/19620906/176/0013 Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 20:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not Shaheb Ali, but the man standing next to Changezi is most likely Kabir Ahmed who participated in the 1960 edition, so im guessing this pic is from 1960. FNH004 (talk) 06:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about this pic. I have a strong feeling it is the same competition in 1960 from the few players I identified so far. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 23:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think so as well i can see Shaheb Ali standing ninth from the left and i think thats Kabir sitting first from the right FNH004 (talk) 06:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This pic is 100% from the 1960 edition. I have a book which confirms it. FNH004 (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you confirm the goalkeeper here is Balai Dey. In this source it states the name of every player but obviously a bit low resolution so I can't see properly but I think his first name is written there. JayFT047 (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most probably is since he was in the squad during Pakistan's China tour. He appears to be the same person as in this picture, which is definitely him. FNH004 (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for updating the goalscorers at the Football at the 1985 South Asian Games article. Regarding the match on 22 December 1985, could you confirm Shaukat Mufti scored a goal. Agha Saeed scored two goals 100%, but I have doubts on the other. JayFT047 (talk) 00:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got the info on him scoring against Bangladesh and Nepal from here. Can you provide me with the source from where you learned that he scored against Maldives as well. I'll try searching from other places in the meantime. FNH004 (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This and this were the sources for the two goals against Maldives for Agha Saeed. Here is a snippet pic from Times of India also saying he scored twice against Maldives, with another pic of Shaukat Mufti below stating he "scored the second goal for Pakistan". However over here it says Mufti scored against Bangladesh and Nepal, just like you found out, but no mention of him scoring against Maldives.

That's why I'm a bit confused, either he did score against Maldives or the Times of India snippet was from the bronze medal match against Nepal stating Saeed scored twice in the earlier match. JayFT047 (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please have a look at the Pakistan national football B team article I just created. Basically the RSSSF source of the Quaid-e-Azam International Cup state clearly that the Pakistan Red and White of the 1976, 1985 and the 1986 editions is the B team, while in the 1982 edition the Pakistan Blue team is stated as the "youth team". And the 1987 is a mess with incomplete data where 4 Pakistani teams competed (Pakistan Green, White, Blue and Yellow) with no conclusion in RSSSF which team was which. In the 1993 SAARC Gold Cup, the Pakistan White team which was clearly staten as the B team in Quaid Cup is stated as " Pakistan Junior team" instead in the RSSSF source there. Dont know if to indicate those as the B team or the under-20/youth team.

Nonetheless for now I have indicated the 1982 and 1993 teams as the B team as many B teams consisted of youth international players. Would like to have your input here. JayFT047 (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldnt find anytg in the 1987 tournament, since Bangladesh also sent a B team "BFF XI" but im guessing Pakistan White to be the senior team. FNH004 (talk) 09:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting discovery I just made. Have a look at the Iran Friendship Cup rsssf page, in the March 1970 edition it states "other teams unknown" and one of them was Pakistan under the name of "PFF XI" with a pretty much full strength national squad. This cleared up a lot of confusion as for several players I thought participated at the 1969 Friendship actually made their debut in 1970. I need some of your assistance here. Thanks to newspaper excerpts from this interview of Younus Rana (0:30 till 2:00), I was able to find the complete squad and that Shahidur Rahman Shantoo and Zakaria Pintoo from East Pakistan were there.

That being said, do you have more info based on them regarding this tournament. Also I need a confirmation to differentiate pics from the 1969 Friendship Cup, 1969 RCD Cup, 1970 Friendship Cup and the 1970 RCD Cup. Do you have any pic of Khandoker Mohammad Nurunnabi during his playing years to differentiate with the other goalkeeper Shahidur Rahman as the first only played at the 1970 RCD Cup.

I think this pic is from the "1970 Friendship Cup" as I'm able to spot Shantoo and Pintoo. Who can you spot in this pic btw which I'm also pretty sure is from the same tournament

Also I add this interesting lineup pic with Shantoo, Pintoo and Hafizuddin (correct me if wrong) which say "at Iran" but I'm 100% sure its actually from the 1969 RCD Cup in Turkey based on the kit and players JayFT047 (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to the book "পাকিস্তান জাতীয় দল বাঙালি খেলোয়াড়" (Bengali players in the Pakistan national team):

1969 Friendship Cup squad: Shahidur Rahman Shantoo, Mohammed Faruk, Murad Bakhsh, Mohammed Arshad, Maula Bakhsh Momen, Qader Bakhsh, Abdullah Akbrar, Jakil Mohammed, Zakaria Pintoo, Ali Mohammed, Maula Bakhsh (2), Sardar Aslam, Abdul Jabbar, Ali Nawaz Baloch, Ayub Dar, A.M Idrees, Golam Sarwar Tipu, Hafizuddin Ahmed.

1969 Soviet tour: Mohammed Faruk, Shahidur Rahman Shantoo, Murad Bakhsh (captain), Qader Bakhsh, Mohammed Arshad, Zakaria Pintoo, Abdullah Akbar, Ali Mohammad, Maula Bakhsh Momen, Ayub Dar, Ali Nawaz Baloch, Maula Bakhsh, Abdul Jabbr, Golam Sarwar Tipu, Sardar Aslam, Hafizuddin Ahmed, A.M Idrees and Allah Bakhsh.

1969 RCD Cup squad: Qader Bakhsh (captain), Shahidur Rahman Shantoo, Ali Mohammed, Mohammed Arshad, Yunus Rana, Zakaria Pintoo, Abudllah (unsure which one), Ali Nawaz Baloch, Maula Bakhsh, Arsalan, Hafizuddin Ahmed and Kazi Mahmud Hasan

Also here is a picture of Nurunabbi during his playing days (sitting between Ali Nawaz Baloch and Abdullah Rahi).

From this pic I can point out Shantoo (standing second from left), Pintoo (standing furthest to the right), Golam Sarwar Tipu (sitting fifth from left, not sure tho). FNH004 (talk) 10:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also the book I mentioned earlier states that Ayub Dar and Maula Bakhsh scored at the 1969 RCD Cup against Iran in minutes 75 and 78, respectively FNH004 (talk) 10:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of Golam Sarwar Tipu in the pic with the plane with Iran written behind, I believe it is actually Haji Ilyas (you can see his portrait in the interview at far bottom left in 1:45, or the one sitting far left here) so most likely the pic is from the 1970 Friendship Cup.

Also thanks for the 1969 RCD Cup scorers, I have noticed teammelli source tends to have a lot of mistakes. I will have a look for that book, is it available in English? Looks like finally most of the scorers in old matches (Pakistan national football team results (1950–1989)) are complete, only few left now. JayFT047 (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Im also looking to upload this lineup pic here as it's quite clear and to extract some face pics of players. The caption below says it's Dhaka Mohammedan but all these players seemingly played together at Victoria SC around 1962 which seems unusual. Could you please let me know the exact context of this pic JayFT047 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This could either be Victoria SC in 1962 or Dhaka Wanderers Club in 1963, even I am confused about this FNH004 (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed you are putting the East Pakistan football team in the international career section of the players such as in Zakaria Pintoo, however I believe this should be at the club section as it was a provincial team at the National Football Championship.

Have a look at the List of football clubs in Pakistan article I expanded a bit in the "other teams" section and this will help clear a bit more. As expected the domestic structure has always been a mess with provincial, division and departmental teams. For example Muhammad Umer or Ali Nawaz Baloch have also represented the Karachi Division team at top level but it is quite difficult to exactly trace which periods. Will see if I can make articles of each season to make it more easier but looks difficult. Maybe also better to remove other clubs such as Friends Union, Karachi Kickers and Keamari Mohammedan in case of Muhammad Umer and only leave teams he represented at top tier such as KMC, Karachi Division and Dacca Division, or maybe Sindh and East Pakistan if he represented the provincial team.

I recently updated the Ghulam Rabbani article as luckily I found plenty of detailed info on him and this is the most accurate I was able create. Perhaps would be also be helpful to create separate sections of the National Football Championship and the Dhaka League if a player represented different leagues in West and East Pakistan at the same time. JayFT047 (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've kept the team in the international career section since it is considered a predecessor of the Bangladesh national team, alongside the Shadhin Bangla football team. Also, they have played quite a lot of "unofficial" international matches (against China, Burma, Pakistan and India), and in Bangladesh, according to the players who were part of the team, it is considered equivalent to a national team before independence. However, even I prefer to call it a "provincial team" since they did not take part in any noteworthy international tournament and played in the National Championship as a provincial member under East Pakistan Sports Federation. Nevertheless, since I consider the team to be similar to the Shadhin Bangla football team, I've kept it in the international section. FNH004 (talk) 06:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, hopefully in future I can get more info on each season and regional teams but it is quite a difficult task rn.

On the other hand regarding Khairul Pearu, I found this squad pic of Pakistan for the 1999 SAFF Gold Cup. Just in case, could you confirm the tall guy with moustache and black hair standing sixth from left in middle row could not be him as I feel he looks similar, otherwise looks weird to me NFT included him as coach of Pakistan out of nowhere. Other members of coaching staff I can identify in the pic are Tariq Lutfi and Muhammad Idrees but they were most likely assistant coach and administrative manager respectively. I also found this lineup pic of the tournament where the short moustache guy who was also appearing in the previous pic can be seen so possibly he was the head coach. JayFT047 (talk) 11:42, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to help with the National Championship season pages if you need any

About the Khairul Pearu issue, I'm almost certain that the tall guy is not him. See this pic where he is standing furthest to the right, and also look at the height difference between him and Shaheb Ali (standing in the middle). Here are a few other pics of him showing his face for further confirmation:

sitting fifth from left

second from the left in the third row

another

Also his obituary has nothing on him coaching Pakistan. Im guessing that you're right about the short guy in the lineup picture being the head coach during the tournament. I'll let you know if I find more information about this. FNH004 (talk) 12:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just found this roster for the 1999 SAFF Cup on RSSSF. Muhammad Idrees is written as coach here while "Muhammad Latif" as manager. Could that Latif guy be the short moustache guy in the lineup. I still have a feeling Idrees was the administrative manager as that was his role at the 1999 South Asian Games too and he is standing at far right with the technical staff JayFT047 (talk) 16:18, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Im guessing Latif is the short guy and was the head coach since he was in the lineup pic FNH004 (talk) 18:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]