Summary from main article: Conservatism in Hong Kong has become synonymous with the pro-Beijing camp, as it has consistently aligned with the interests of the central government and the SAR administration. Since the Sino-British Joint Declaration in 1984, Hong Kong’s conservatives—composed of business elites and traditional pro-Communist leftists—have worked together to resist calls for democratization and liberalization. Their goal has been to maintain political stability and economic prosperity while securing a strong relationship with Beijing, especially in the lead-up to and following the 1997 handover. Given this historical and political context, conservatism in Hong Kong is not a neutral or broad ideology but is inherently tied to pro-Beijing interests. It represents the coalition that upholds the current political structure and opposes democratic movements, distinguishing it from other conservative movements worldwide that might emphasize different values.

I don't see how any other political orientation in HK besides pro-beijing can be placed into this template. Guotaian (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not all Hong Kong conservatives are pro-Beijing; Pro-ROC camp (China Youth Service & Recreation Center), Conservatism in Hong Kong#Conservative localism. "Pro-Beijing" and "Hong Kong conservatism" are not synonymous, which is why Pro-Beijing camp (Hong Kong) articles and Conservatism in Hong Kong articles are separate. ProKMT (talk) 01:54, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no denying that there are pro-business, economic-liberal, fiscal-conservative organizations among conservatives in Hong Kong like the Business and Professionals Alliance for Hong Kong or Liberal Party (Hong Kong). It is not the ideology of all pro-Beijing camps, but it exists as a factions. Let's suppose you are correct; if only "pro-Beijing camp" is "conservatism in Hong Kong", why wouldn't you suggest merging the two articles? The two are never synonymous. Hong Kong conservatives who don't belong to the "pro-Beijing camp" exist. ProKMT (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Conservatism in Hong Kong is inherently tied to the pro-Beijing camp and does not represent a broader ideological spectrum as conservatism might in other regions. As noted in the main article, Hong Kong’s conservative forces have historically aligned with Beijing, prioritizing political stability, economic continuity, and opposition to democratization. Since the Sino-British Joint Declaration of 1984, conservatism in Hong Kong has been characterized by a coalition of business elites and pro-Communist leftists who have resisted democratic reforms in favor of maintaining close ties with the central government.

Unlike in Western political systems, where conservatism might encompass a range of right-leaning ideologies, in Hong Kong, it is almost exclusively associated with the pro-Beijing establishment. There is no significant conservative faction that supports greater democratization or challenges Beijing’s authority. As such, the Conservatism in Hong Kong template should reflect this reality by focusing solely on the pro-Beijing camp. Including other political groups would misrepresent the term’s meaning within the Hong Kong context, as conservatism here is not a neutral or broad ideology but a direct extension of Beijing’s influence in the city. Guotaian (talk) 12:12, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike in Western political systems, where conservatism might encompass a range of right-leaning ideologies, in Hong Kong, it is almost exclusively associated with the pro-Beijing establishment. There is no significant conservative faction that supports greater democratization or challenges Beijing’s authority.

It is entirely just a POV. As mentioned above, there are conservatives in Hong Kong who don't belong to the pro-Beijing camp. The current title of template is "Conservatism in Hong Kong", not "Hong Kong conservatism". ProKMT (talk) 10:33, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested a third opinion. Dispute occurring here. Please place third opinion under here. Guotaian (talk) 16:59, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

Please see my response at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_China#Political_ideology_templates. Since this dispute spans multiple talk pages but involves the same two editors, I suggest continuing the discussion there. A centralized discussion will allow for broader input from other editors, given the complexity and impact of this issue. Manuductive (talk) 03:46, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Guotaian:@Simonm223:@Manuductive:@Wcquidditch:@Esolo5002:@CWH:@GuardianH:@Chipmunkdavis: I'm tired of the edit war with Guotaian. Since Guotaian and I have serious disagreements about the categories that should be covered in template, I suggest discussion to other users.

Solution 1 (Guotaian's view, status quo) -"Conservatism in Hong Kong" should be limited to pro-Beijing camp [1]

Solution 2 (ProKMT's view) - "Conservatism in Hong Kong" includes the pro-ROC camp and some right-wing conservative localists as well as the pro-Beijing camp. [2] ProKMT (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I support Solution 2 - Pro-ROC camp should be included in "Conservatism in Hong Kong" because it has traditionally been considered "rightists." In addition, conservative localism is part of "conservatism in Hong Kong," as it appears in Conservatism in Hong Kong#Conservative localism article. ProKMT (talk) 07:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  So two things: First is I do agree that the scope of Conservatism in Hong Kong should be all conservative movements that are in Hong Kong and should not be narrowly limited to the pro-Beijing camp. I also want to thank ProKMT for having taken on advice I gave them some time ago regarding articles to do with conservatism in China - that we should treat these subjects more holistically rather than assigning clear "sides" as such. We often get entrenched in disputes on this website and, considering our past disagreements I am really glad to see this.

  So thank you. Simonm223 (talk) 12:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Solution 2 There are many philosophical or political conservatives, going back to the 1950s, such as Qian Mu, and even today there are such conservatives. Pro-ROC or Pro-PRC is only one dimension. The same is true of liberals.ch (talk) 17:06, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Solution 1.5 I agree with ProKMT that the pro-ROC faction should be included in conservatism, however the conservative localism is more akin in manifestation to the alt-right than mainstream conservatism. Conservatism usually supports the preservation of established social institutions.