The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 20:44, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

• ... that when the band Dingo were doing a photoshoot for their 1985 album Kerjäläisten valtakunta in Morocco, local men started patting them on the behind, having mistaken them for women?

• ALT1: ... that when the band Dingo were doing a photoshoot for their 1985 album Kerjäläisten valtakunta in Morocco, local men started patting them on the behind, apparently having mistaken them for women?

• ALT2: ... at the photoshoot for the album Kerjäläisten valtakunta in Morocco, local men patted the band on the behind, which the manager thought was because they thought the band were women?

• ALT3: ... at the photoshoot of the Dingo album Kerjäläisten valtakunta in Morocco, local men started patting the band on the behind?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Roll-A-Palace

JIP | Talk 16:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC).

• The image has been removed from this nomination as it doesn't have a free licence. The image is still present in the actual article. JIP | Talk 18:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Article was new enough, long enough, and properly sourced at the time of the nomination. A full QPQ has been done. The hook is cited to an offline Finnish source so AGF. However, the actual sentence referring to the hook fact is missing the footnote (which instead only appears at the end of the paragraph); this has to be fixed per WP:DYKHFC. In addition, the hook and the article don't match: the hook states as fact that the local Moroccan men mistook them for women, but in the article, it was instead stated to be speculation. The hook will need to be modified. The article could also benefit from some minor copyedits throughout. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: I have added a citation to the article at the actual sentence the hook is about. I checked the original source, and Lasse Norres writes that the local men thinking Dingo were women was speculation, not fact. I have added an alternative hook at ALT1 above where I have added the word "apparently" but I'm not sure if the hook is too long. It barely fit into the 200 character limit to begin with when I was originally writing the nomination. JIP | Talk 08:16, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, both hooks are a bit on the long side. Would it be possible to make them shorter? I'm also not sure if the addition of "apparently" would satisfy my concern about accuracy. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:27, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• • @Narutolovehinata5: I added an ALT2 version above. This makes it clear that this was speculation by the band's manager Lasse Norres, which he admits in his book. It still barely fits in the 200 character limit. I want to make it clear that the band were not Moroccan themselves, but the men who patted them on the behind were. JIP | Talk 21:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

We're getting there, but the hook is getting far too long. We need a concise hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

• • @Narutolovehinata5: I added an ALT3 version above. It's shorter now, but I kind of feel it makes the hook slightly less interesting, because now it completely omits the fact that Lasse Norres thought the reason was that the local men mistook the band for women, and actually even omits the fact that the band were men. But it might be that this makes the reader's experience more interesting when they click on the article and find out the real reason. I am going to sleep now and will look at this later in the morning. JIP | Talk 00:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that the heavily made-up male members of the band Dingo got bottom pats from local men during a Moroccan photoshoot for the album Kerjäläisten valtakunta? Gatoclass (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

If ALT4 is gonna be used, the footnote will need to be duplicated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

I do have a new concern though. Would ALT3/ALT4 violate DYKBLP, even if the local men involved are not named? Or is it not serious enough for that to apply? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Since the local men are not named and all we know about them is that they were Moroccan, I don't particularly think it would violate DYKBLP. (Besides, it's been 40 years since the photoshoot. It's not certain all of the local men are alive any more.) JIP | Talk 09:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

• Here is User:Gatoclass's proposed ALT4 hook with the reference added:
• ALT4: ... that the heavily made-up male members of the band Dingo got bottom pats from local men during a Moroccan photoshoot for the album Kerjäläisten valtakunta?

JIP | Talk 21:54, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure what the relevance of "heavily made-up" part is to the hook, other than perhaps giving context to the bottom pats. It just seems to make the hook longer than it should. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Then it can be removed. Here is a new ALT5 version.

• ALT5: ... that the male members of the band Dingo got bottom pats from local men during a Moroccan photoshoot for the album Kerjäläisten valtakunta?

JIP | Talk 09:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. The reference will still need to be duplicated per WP:DYKHFC. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

The reference is now cited in the article right after the exact sentence that the hook refers to. JIP | Talk 09:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. The article might still need some minor copyedits, but I don't see that as a barrier towards approval at this point. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:17, 7 February 2025 (UTC)