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Finland had a notorious neo-Nazi leader Pekka Siitoin (1944-2003). He started as an ardent anticommunist who organized terror campaign against pro-communist media. In 1976 one of his followers burned communist printing house. Siitoin was jailed. After his release from prison in 1982, he demanded overthrow of goverment and forming a new regime based on fascism. He did get much media coverage. Si, he ended up calling himself the Fuehrer of Finland. He used swastika flag as his symbol and promoted nazism. He received lot of media coverage in the 1990s. However, he was out of date. He continued his neo-Nazism until his death (2003).

Source: Iiro Nordling; Long Shadow of Finland’s Fuehrer: Life and legacy of the notorious Finnish occult neo-Nazi Pekka Siitoin. Amazon 2021. ISBN ‎979-8546175634.

I have a request, should I add the Aryan Freedom Network to the neo-Nazis organizations list? StrongHelpi (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi StrongHelpi , they are already on the List of neo-Nazi organizations. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 15:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Far-right politics in Ukraine article sources, summarized in article lead, give summary to the situation with Nazism in Ukraine, which differ significantly with this article's Ukraine section. Let's work on fixing it. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Mellk, you removed [1] the content with "you are replacing content about neo-Nazism with content about far-right politics in general" argument. But sources supplied are on topic. Just one example, The Oxford Handbook of the Radical Right - Google Books p. 621 - 622, and so on. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 12:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The subject is neo-Nazism. You removed all mention of Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups and replaced this with copy-pasted text from other pages that has little to no relevance to the subject. The argument that mentioning Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups in the Ukraine section of this page is undue is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Mellk (talk) 12:42, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

copy-pasted text from other pages that has little to no relevance to the subject
The text comes from Неонацизм на Украине — Википедия, it's literally Neo-Nazism in Ukraine. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 12:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That does not matter, I am talking about the text itself. Mellk (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see... so your opinion is that
Neo-Nazism in Ukraine, like other far-right political organizations and people adhering to neo-Nazi ideology, has no political power.[170] Since the mid-2000s, the number and severity of hate crimes in Ukraine have been decreasing.[171] The far-right in Ukraine has failed to create stable structures, they have been on the periphery since 1991, when Ukraine became independent, are not represented in parliament and do not have significant influence on the authorities. Right-wing radical parties rarely received more than 3% of the vote and received only a few seats in single-member districts. Never has an ultra-right presidential candidate received more than 5%.[172]
Far-right radicals, including neo-Nazis by their own admission, participated in the conflict with Russia, which escalated into a war. They played a role in the first months of the conflict in the spring and summer of 2014, but their role is often overestimated. Members of far-right (including neo-Nazi) groups played an important role on the pro-Russian side, arguably more so than on the Ukrainian side. Members and former members of the National Bolshevik Party, Russian National Unity (RNU), Eurasian Youth Union, and Cossack groups participated in recruitment of the separatists.[173][174][175][176] A former RNU member, Pavel Gubarev, was founder of the Donbas People's Militia and first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic.[173][177] RNU is particularly linked to the Russian Orthodox Army,[173] one of a number of separatist units described as "pro-Tsarist" and "extremist" Orthodox nationalists.[173][178] 'Rusich' is part of the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary group in Ukraine which has been linked to far-right extremism.[179][180]
...
"Ukrainian Nazis" became the central theme of Russian propaganda during the war with Ukraine. On February 24, 2022, the Russian online press and blogs launched an unprecedented campaign to justify the Russian invasion by creating a false picture of Ukraine as overrun by far-right extremists. Justifying Russian crimes in Bucha by accusing Ukrainians of Nazism helps Russians overcome emerging internal contradictions.[183]

has no relevance to Neo-Nazism. Why? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already said, you removed information about Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups. Instead, you replaced this with text about performance of far-right parties in elections and Russian propaganda. There are other articles about these subjects. It is also curious that you omitted the following text (that has nothing to do with neo-Nazism) above: By the end of 2014, the pro-Russian far-right groups became less important in Donbas and the need for Russian radical nationalists started to disappear. However, in the Russian-controlled DPR and LPR, the authorities have taken a right-conservative direction and use xenophobia in their ideology and messages. Mellk (talk) 14:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already said, you removed information about Ukrainian neo-Nazi groups
That's right.
Instead, you replaced this with text about performance of far-right parties in elections and Russian propaganda
Not exactly. The text said -
Neo-Nazism in Ukraine, like other far-right political organizations and people adhering to neo-Nazi ideology, has no political power.[170] Since the mid-2000s, the number and severity of hate crimes in Ukraine have been decreasing.[171] The far-right in Ukraine has failed to create stable structures, they have been on the periphery since 1991, when Ukraine became independent, are not represented in parliament and do not have significant influence on the authorities. Right-wing radical parties rarely received more than 3% of the vote and received only a few seats in single-member districts. Never has an ultra-right presidential candidate received more than 5%.[172]
If that's the best summary we can get from the secondary sources on the topic, who are we to judge? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The source you mentioned covers the radical right. Read the abstract. The text in question is also mostly about the far-right. Neo-Nazism is a small subset of far-right and is generally a fringe ideology. Mellk (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if that's the best coverage of the subject we can get from academic sources, what are our options? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In 2015, the Svoboda party mayor in Konotop reportedly had the number "14/88" displayed on his car and refused to display the city's official flag because it contains a star of David, and has implied that Jews were responsible for the Holodomor.^[1]
The source is making some WP:EXCEPTIONAL claims, including some accusations regarding Konotop mayor, which are nowhere to be found except maybe Russian propaganda, and that Svoboda party is "neo-Nazi", which, as reported by more reliable sources, is not true. Should be removed. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is not a reason for removal. Also "The Jerusalem Post" is not Russian proaganda. Please stop it. Is well known in Ukraine he have that 1488 on his car..Mr.User200 (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can't just wave away the argument. The fringe source you supplied only strengthens it. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

4th.com.ua doesn't appear to be a reliable source at all. While the Jerusalem Post is not fringe, it is not flawless, either. If the only reliable source is this one article from the Jerusalem Post, I would consider this undue weight for this article. It would make more sense to summarize very briefly at Konotop with a link to this article for further context. Grayfell (talk) 06:08, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to Times of Israel, Semenikhin is known for neo-Nazi views. World Jewish Congress also calls him a neo-Nazi. But I am not sure if it is better to mention this on the article about the town instead. Mellk (talk) 11:06, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They all are based on the same JPost article above. While characterized as "generally reliable", exceptional claims like Nazi Svoboda or Nazi Mayor "according to reports" should be treated with caution. The only reliable content we can extract from it is Speaking to the Post, Vyacheslav Likhachev, an anti-Semitism researcher affiliated with the Vaad of Ukraine and the Euro-Asian Jewish Congress, said “Ukrainians are afraid of the Russian threat, not the threat of national radicalism,” and that “Semenikhin has successfully created himself an image of a defender of Ukrainian independence, and voters were able to support him, not paying attention to the radicalism of his views. Unfortunately, Likhachev said the current Ukrainian legislation does not allow to forbid those with right-wing views to take part in the election, or to remove them from the elected positions. “The special anti-communist and anti-Nazi law says about banning the symbols of the National Socialist (Nazi) of the totalitarian regime, which includes symbols of the Nazi Party and the state symbols of the Third Reich only,” he said. It is impossible to interpreted in legal terms symbols like 14/88.” ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deserve mention in both articles. He is a Ukrainian authority, also Svodoba, see article have had a Neo Nazi past, with the usage of Nazi symbols and some of their members being Neo-Nazi as well.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deserve mention in both articles. He is a Ukrainian authority,
You provided nothing more than your opinion. In this situation, academic conclusion should be preferred towards editor's opinions: Speaking to the Post, Vyacheslav Likhachev, an anti-Semitism researcher affiliated with the Vaad of Ukraine and the Euro-Asian Jewish Congress, said “Ukrainians are afraid of the Russian threat, not the threat of national radicalism,” and that “Semenikhin has successfully created himself an image of a defender of Ukrainian independence, and voters were able to support him, not paying attention to the radicalism of his views. But you removed it [2] , please don't.

also Svodoba, see article have had a Neo Nazi past
while the neo-Nazi Svoboda party [3] is in present tense.
See the difference? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellk, you can't just delete content with high quality academic sources [4] because "this is one POV". ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:53, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not disagree that newer sources can be used, but you stated in wikivoice that there is no longer any kind of connection to far-right and that it is completely deradicalized. This is not what is mentioned in the main article. I reverted you because you completely rewrote this part. Mellk (talk) 12:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For example, the lead states: Some experts have been critical of the regiment's role within the larger Azov Movement, a political umbrella group made up of veterans and organizations linked to Azov, and its possible far-right political ambitions, despite claims of the regiment's depoliticization. I am sure this has been heavily discussed before, so why only mention the view that it has been depoliticized? Mellk (talk) 12:16, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should not refer to other Wiki articles as they are authored by non-experts.

But
Some experts - let's see those? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 12:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not saying we should cite the Wikipedia article. But the main article cites sources, for example Zajaczkowski, for the following statement: On the other hand, others have argued that Azov has not depoliticized and remains a far-right organisation. For instance, Ivan Gomza and Johann Zajaczkowski have in their research of Azov identified them as part of Ukraine's far-right and argued that as much as 57% of its members are political actors. Were you not involved in such discussions about the far-right characterization? If so, I would think you would be familiar with this. Mellk (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

as much as 57% of its members are political actors
That was in 2019's Gomza and Zajaczkowski. Is it still the same in 2024 Gomza's? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 12:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not buy the argument that this is outdated if there are still fairly recent sources cited in that article which have a different view e.g. this and this. I don't see a problem with briefly mentioning the view that it has been depoliticized (e.g. "some researchers have argued..."), but it does not seem like a good idea to write this in wikivoice. Mellk (talk) 12:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

briefly mentioning the view that it has been depoliticized (e.g. "some researchers have argued...")
You mean, representing the majority and up-to-date view as minor ("some")? in favor of 2022 daily newspaper interview with "Nazi hunter" academic, and Colborne, who later agreed with prevailing view - Ukraine’s Azov Brigade races to rebuild ahead of fateful fight - The Washington Post Michael Colborne, who wrote a book about the Azov movement and leads Bellingcat’s work on the global far right, said the unit’s focus appears to have shifted over time from ideology to military effectiveness. He said that any remaining far-right elements within Azov probably would continue to be “diluted” as the unit grows and that the issue had become less important as Ukraine confronts an existential threat. “In Ukraine, the term nationalist or patriot describes a heck of a lot of people right now,” Colborne said. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Colborne saying it "probably would continue to be 'diluted' as the unit grows" is not the same as agreeing that it has been completely depoliticized. This 2024 article has a different view on the matter:

"Some researchers have claimed that the presence of Russian speakers in the Azov regiment and other neo-Nazi-led armed formations is evidence of their relative tolerance and asserted that the Azov regiment had moderated... Such analyses have tended to uncritically rely on Ukrainian and Western government narratives, accepting their claims at face value... After its formal incorporation into the National Guard of Ukraine, the Azov regiment and its commanders maintained a close organisational and ideological relationship with the neo-Nazi National Corps... Importantly, Azov commanders never publicly renounced their neo-Nazi views, symbols, and organisations."

You say what you wrote is the up-to-date view but I am still seeing some disagreement. Mellk (talk) 13:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's attend the more relevant conclusion of this work however:
Neo-Nazis constituted only about one percent of the Ukrainian forces before the Russian invasion
in 2022, and there is weak electoral support for neo-Nazi parties throughout the country.
Similarly, the policy of glorification of the OUN-UPA, their leaders, such as Stepan Bandera, and
the adoption and use of their “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!” greeting by the state and
the military, including Zelensky, do not make Ukraine a Nazi state. While the OUN and the UPA
were far-right terrorist organisations, which collaborated with Nazi Germany and perpetrated
the mass murders of Jews, Poles, and Ukrainians, they were not Nazis. Ukrainians could not join
the Nazi party because Hitler and other Nazi leaders regarded Ukrainians as racially inferior
and opposed independence of Ukraine while also dismissing the attempt to create even a
puppet state by the Bandera faction of the OUN in Lviv shortly after the Nazi invasion of the
Soviet Union. Thus, Putin cannot credibly justify the illegal invasion in February 2022 as a war
to “de-Nazify” the “Nazi regime.”136 The power of the far-right and the glorification of the OUN
and the UPA in Ukraine under Poroshenko and Zelensky were exaggerated and exploited by the
Russian leaders to justify the invasion. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:41, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is basically no support in RS that Ukraine is a neo-Nazi state. But I do not see what point you are trying to make. As the abstract notes, "Although the percentage of far-right supporters and fighters in Ukraine was relatively small, they exercised disproportionate influence in the country due to their greater reliance on violence and armed formations." Mellk (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As the abstract notes, "Although the percentage of far-right supporters and fighters in Ukraine was relatively small, they exercised disproportionate influence in the country due to their greater reliance on violence and armed formations."
But this was an offtopic just a few days before - Talk:Neo-Nazism#c-Mellk-20250303110900-Manyareasexpert-20250301173700 . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I have just said, I don't know what point you are trying to make. You provided a quote that mentions Russian leaders exaggerating/exploiting the power of the far-right. The article still calls the Azov brigade as neo Nazi-led or having ties to neo-Nazism. Mellk (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The point is - there is basically no support in RS that Ukraine is a neo-Nazi state. And the article should correctly represent this. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:08, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize there are no neo-Nazi states, right? This article is about a fringe ideology. Like I have said before, the argument that we cannot talk about specific neo-Nazi groups on this article because they are fringe groups is a silly argument. Mellk (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]