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@Sadko, you removed a map of Henri Thiers (File:Map of the Serb population, 1862, H. Thiers.png), claiming that the map doesn't belong here because "has zero context", and once again that it is "WP:OR" and "the claim and the context can not be verified. The author openly claims that the French map was created or influenced by the "Greater Serbian imperialism" but gives no proof, credible sources or context, just his impression and cmt".

Zdravko Dizdar (2007). "Virovitica u planovima velikosrpske politike tijekom 19. i 20. stoljeća: od ideje do pokušaja provedbe". Scrinia Slavonica. 7 (1). Croatian Historical Institute: pg. 272: "Ubrzo potom počinju se takve karte pojavljivati i na zapadu kao primjerice "Karta srpskog pučanstva Turske Europe i južne Austrije s granicama srpskog carstva Dušana Velikog u XIV. stoljeću" H. Thiersa objavljena na francsukom u Parizu 1862. u njegovoj knjizi: "Serbie, son passé et son avenir", a po kojoj je Srbija od Celovca u Koruškoj do sjevernog dunavskog ušća u Crno more (Kilia) i Varne (naravno sa Slavonijom, Hrvatskom i Dalmacijom), a na jugu do Istambula te Egejskim morem do Korintskog kanala i njime do Jonskog mora i obalom do Trsta.19"

Zdravko Dizdar (2009). "Velikosrpska politika prema Lici u 19. i 20. stoljeću" (PDF). Identitet Like: korijeni i razvitak. Zagreb, Gospić: Institut društvenih znanosti Ivo Pilar. ISBN 978-953-6666-65-2: pg. 628: "Ubrzo potom objavljuju se takve karte i na Zapadu, primjerice Karta srpskog pučanstva Turske europe i južne Austrije s granicama srpskog carstva Dušana Velikog u XIV. stoljeću H. Thiersa. Tiskana je u Parizu 1862. u njegovoj knjizi Serbie, son passe et son avenir, prema kojoj je Srbija: od Celovca u Koruškoj do sjevernog dunavskog ušća u Crno more (Kilia) i Varne (naravno s Hrvatskom, Dalmacijom i Slavonijom), a na jugu do Istambula te Egejskim morem do Korintskog kanala i njime na Jonsko more i obalom do Trsta.15, with 15 being "THIERS, H., Serbie, son passé et son avenir, Paris 1862. Kartu u boji, s legendom i komentarom vidi: ČOVIĆ, Bože, Što kaže povijesna znanost, Izvori velikosrpske agresije, Zagreb, 1991., str. 204 a.", with Izvori velikosrpske agresije: rasprave/dokumenti: kartografski prikazi ([Origins of the Greater Serbian agression: discussions/documents: cartographic images]) released, authored and edited by a reliable Croatian publishing house and scholars, while the specific chapter Dizdar cites is "Velika Srbija od 1844. do 1990/91. godine" by political geographer and professor at FPZG dr. sc. Radovan Pavić.

Claiming that it is OR contradicts the fact it is sourced, nor there's lack of verification and context, neither is Dizdar's own impression and comment. The reliable sources are exactly about the Greater Serbian ideology. The provided rationale for removal is a complete contradiction and against the editing policy. Please do self-revert. Miki Filigranski (talk) 20:44, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. If you do see any footnote, source, reference, or cited book supporting his WP:EXTRAORDINARY and borderline conspiracy claim that a French man published a map under the influence of “Greater Serbian imperialism,” please tell me which page to check and I will.

To put it simply, without walls of text: there was a map published by a French scholar, the map is flawed and incorrect. The Croatian author claims that it was devised or created under the influence of real or alleged “Greater Serbian imperialism” (POV language, to begin with), but there is nothing credible or valid to support this notion, especially considering that the map was published independently, as far as we know.

This entire notion, written by someone in academia, is rather comical, considering that the Principality of Serbia was a poor country, full of small-time farmers, and only just beginning to develop. Of course, the desire to expand territory was common among pretty much all European states in the 19th century, that is, among the states that existed at the time.

In fact, I have checked this interesting claim, and could not verify anything, literally nothing. Not to mention the possible WP:BIAS. Please note that I did not remove any other 19th-century maps, only this one, and for a valid reason.

The idea that an expert in geography should automatically serve as evidence of the author’s credibility, thereby making his work peer-reviewed, only shows the state of regional academia.

In addition, G. Demeter; Zs. Bottlik; Kr. Csaplár-Degovics (2015). "Ethnic Mapping on the Balkans (1840–1925): a Brief Comparative Summary of Concepts and Methods of Visualization". (Re)Discovering the Sources of Bulgarian and Hungarian History. Budapest: Institute of History, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences. pp. 65–100. is not mentioning this particular map.

Please, for future reference, use and consult quality sources. Those latest additions are of little merit, full of WP:POV formulations, and do not improve this or any other article. They may even invite further vandalism and disputes. Best. — Sadko (words are wind) 21:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is this nonsense, and "could not verify anything. Literally nothing", "use or consult quality sources"... --Miki Filigranski (talk) 21:23, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In other words: the claim that the inaccurate French map was either directly or indirectly a product of "Greater Serbian imperialism" is scholarly baseless nonsense. Hence, only this map was removed. — Sadko (words are wind) 21:42, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Scholarly baseless nonsense"...--Miki Filigranski (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if this comes across as a rigid comment, but unfortunately, that is correct, as far as I can see, at least on this particular micro-topic. The connection is far-fetched and practically nonexistent, because there is no valid direct link between the French cartographer's flawed map and the topic at hand. Either way, thank you for your input. — Sadko (words are wind) 23:57, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]