Date of death?

They were found dead, but no source mentions when they were last seen alive. 186.2.155.76 (talk) 09:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@186.2.155.76 pretty reclusive.. there's a photo circulating online with multiple sources using it as the last photo of the couple seen alive ... publicly....mentioning it was taken last year at a restaurant.. no date given Toastt21 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many news articles are now stating that he had been dead for at least a day. I think it’s best to change the date of death to the 25th. 166.199.99.3 (talk) 18:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least a day before.
But, given the description of the bodies that has been published (bloated and hands and feet partially mummified in both bodies), it's highly unlikely that they died less than 3-5 days (possibly more) before they were found.
The neighbours hadden't seen them for 2-3 weeks. Pat2dv (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Just put Feb 2025 until date is determined.  – Mark K Adams (talk) 05:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know it's February and not January? The wife was a partial mummy. Let's consider using the February 26 date but as " ... - February 26, 2025 (body discovered)" or something similar. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even better. Actual date of death might only be approximated by the medical examiner(s). The way he and his wife died seems absolutely bizarre.  – Mark K Adams (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We would need autopsies to get a more accurate date of death, as of now not even the authorities know the exact time of death. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In which case the lead should not give a specific date: will change it to simply February, with no date, until a medic suggests a legally valid date. Kevin McE (talk) 00:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Authorities now saying “several days, possibly even up to a couple weeks.” Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABC News is saying that he died on February 17. 2600:1000:B19D:102C:AC01:EFB4:32DB:A6B3 (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sheriff is saying that the "likely" date of death is February 17. Wikipedia should be accurate. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqlyy1rld0ko Recommend changing the lede to "... - c. February 17, 2025" not " ... - February 17, 2025" ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Coasterghost (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The last event triggered on has pacemaker was 11:14 am on February 17, 2025. that is the day and time he died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:A022:5B49:D52A:AD4E:1AB8:54AC (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we questioning his pacemaker? Are they often wrong? Are they ever wrong? Usually? Hardly ever? Sometimes? Once in a while? In a blue moon? They run on & on by themselves? They go wild? Bananas? The heart keeps going when they stop? For hours? Days? Weeks? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:06, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a reasonable assumption.... but we generally wait for experts to analyze the evidence.... Autopsy report will be out soon. Moxy🍁 01:35, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Saying that he died on the day when the last pacemaker event was on some day, without providing a reference for the whole statement, would be an "own investigation", or how it is called in English... So unless there is a source saying something like "seems he died on that day because of pacemaker", we should not mix these two statements ("died on day XXX" and "last event on his pacemaker")... Pato Yapuq (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What amazing power we Wikipedians have over the life stories of famous people! When we please, we can ignore obvious facts published in reliable sources. For no other obvious reason than power. Wowee - we're so great! SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the press conference today, the medical examiner(?) said that he died on the 18th. Finnishneat (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
what that means is no later than the 18th as decomposition was more than a week old likely the data of the pacemaker is the correct date. 2600:1015:A022:5B49:1C60:BEA4:3F7:C003 (talk) 23:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/santa-fe-county-sheriffs-office-to-provide-update-on-deaths-of-gene-hackman-and-wife/ WereWolf (talk) 03:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officials-provide-critical-update-in-gene-hackman-death-investigation/ar-AA1AtFYA

Lock this page

Someone is constantly and repeatedly spreading false information about Hackman's death, stating voodoo was the reason. This page has to be locked! 2001:8003:B431:C100:74E4:B052:7C4B:EF5C (talk) 09:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i agree, plus the person who is vandalizing this page should be banned from here too. Boutitbenza 69 9 (talk) 10:00, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove weird speculations regarding cause of death

Please remove the recently added weird speculations regarding a "cult" allegedly responsible for the couple's deaths. 92.79.101.170 (talk) 10:19, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/oscar-winning-actor-gene-hackman-wife-found-dead-santa-fe-home
Facts:
1Police Report says PROPERTY owned by EDGAR F Gross (+2016), son Mathew is at EUROPACORP TV. He produced Body of Proof as exec prod... Edgar himself was producer of Excalibur for instance... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/edgar-gross-dead-business-manager-939569/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/europacorp-names-body-proof-producer-706485/
Anyways...the property was NOT of Eugene Hackman and his wife. 2A01:14:8080:3AD0:1C30:F159:1256:615F (talk) 03:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we did not accept IMDB as a source

Personal Life & Death

You cannot see the Colorado mountains from their home (Santa Fe is 115 miles south of Colorado). They did have views of the Jemez, Sangre de Cristo and Sandia mountains.

The Santa Fe County Sherif's Dept is investigating, not the Santa Fe Police Dept 164.64.23.178 (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, those are common mistakes that will see to fixing. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: dogs

Please change "their dog" to "one of their dogs." Multiple sources are reporting 2 dogs were found alive. 216.168.91.5 (talk) 17:00, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I just read that one dog was dead and two alive; wikipedia should also mention this, as it is unusual that a dog was dead too, e. g. what was the reason? 2A02:8388:1643:D680:F372:5904:C040:D18C (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This CNN vid ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igdm7IMFF20 ) mentions at one point that the dead dog was inside a crate/cage/kennel of some sort, which makes it less unusual-seeming. 72.187.183.81 (talk) 18:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2025

Change the date of death to the 25th as the 'Death' section cites a source claiming Hackman died at least one day before his body was discovered (on the 26th). 168.199.76.29 (talk) 17:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Date of death is listed as circa February 26th, with details of this estimate in the "death" section of the article. That is sufficient until such a time as a more exact date of death is ruled. U-Mos (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked that to just list the month. The New York Times says that the two bodies "showed signs of decomposition", and it's going to take some time before authorities are even able to provide an estimated date of death. Ed [talk] [OMT] 19:49, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But February is speculation by Wikipedia. It could have been late January. The wife's body was partially mummified. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This argued against the gas leak theory

...at the end of the Death section. I guess "this" refers to a healthy German shepherd. It's not clear how a healthy dog is evidence against a carbon monoxide leak. Maybe the dog entered the house after the poison had dissipated. I guess this is less a problem with this article and more an issue with the reporting. Does anyone have a clearer statement? Spiel496 (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried rewording here and added another source. It seems that more relevant evidence is that the PD/FD didn't measure any high levels of gas or carbon monoxide (NY Times). ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 20:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hackman had dementia. The wife may have died first, possibly by pills, then Hackman fell. There are indications that he fell. So far, no reports to this effect yet but toxicology is usually part of autopsies. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 10:03, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His name: Allen or Alden?

Hello,

Reliable sources speak of Eugene Allen Hackman or Eugene Alden Hackman. Mention them both as we are not sure? Sidney.Cortez (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Biography (chapter 1), quote: "Gene Hackman was born Eugene Hackman on January 30, 1930, in San Bernardino, California. Some sources give his middle name as Alden, others Alda, and the California Birth Index gives it as Allen." Sidney.Cortez (talk) 20:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the California birth Index is not a reliable source. It even mentions it on each page that there is no oversight. If there is to be a middle name included then find reliable secondary sources mentioning it, not primary sources. Slp1 (talk) 01:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like Britannica? Sidney.Cortez (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I might suggest someone look into federal census records to determine a middle name. Sometimes middle names are recorded. Not sure if it would be considered original research if found on a website like Ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.142.153.228 (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Betsy Arakawa

I just created a draft article for Hackman's wife Betsy Arakawa. Any help finding sources would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 20:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not 100% sure if she meets notability criteria. Per WP:INVALIDBIO, her relationship to Hackman doesn't make her automatically qualify for an article (relationships do not confer notability), and she doesn't seem to fit Notability (music). Future reporting on the death could confer notability to a death-specific article for both, but we'd have to wait to see how widespread coverage is. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 22:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even before she died, she was more notable than some biographies on Wikipedia. She is likely notable but it will take work to write an article and find citations to document Wikipedia notability. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

a specific page?

Since his death seems so unusual, shouldn't we create a page dedicated to this? Death of Gene Hackman 151.60.157.158 (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that we should do that. At least, that's what he would have wanted to be remembered for. Chance997 (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Way too early. We don't even know how he died yet. Squidboyzontherun (talk) 21:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you may be right. But after all, he did portray Lex Luthor in the original Superman films. Chance997 (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Squidboyzontherun: a page may be warranted once more information is available, but at this point, relevant info can be contained within the section here. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 22:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2025 (2)

Betty Arakawa, his spouse, also passed away February 2025 2.96.179.232 (talk) 22:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done -- It's unclear how you are asking to change the article (edit requests are meant to take the format of "Please change X to Y", and the page already mentions this under Arakawa's death in the first sentence of the Death section. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 23:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She was partially mummified so death could have been in January. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. The last time they were seen alive was in February. The maintenance worker that found them last spoked to them two weeks ago. DrKilleMoff (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The date is now being listed as February 17. 2600:1000:B19D:102C:AC01:EFB4:32DB:A6B3 (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death Date

With ongoing confusion on when he died, I think it’s appropriate to put just February. The last event on his pacemaker doesn’t mean he died that day. It could’ve been broken for all we know. IEditPolitics (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's appropriate if you put c. for circa and it's phrased as a likely date in a top reliable source. Killuminator (talk) 23:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a section on this above. Can we keep it there? SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:51, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mudroom?

Why is the term mudroom used for where Gene was found? It seems to be a lobby/foyer. I have never ever heard the term mudroom before. "Mudroom" redirects to lobby and the lobby article text doesn't even mention the term "mudroom". So why not call it a lobby? 70.161.8.90 (talk) 13:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The term "lobby" isn't typically used in the context of houses. Seinfeld429 (talk) 13:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Seinfeld429: Neither is mudroom, virtually never. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speak for yourself. I grew up in a house with a lobby, and my current one has one too. But mudroom is common in the country. In England, the boot room is the connection between outside and in. The sources use mudroom, as far as I can tell. Guy (help! - typo?) 21:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mudroom is the term used by the news media. Yes it's a kind of entryway and lobby. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:36, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the word is not found anywhere in the redirect article, there is no justification for it here, regardless of what some news reports used. We are here to promote clarity, not cause confusion. If anyone insists it be used, add if to the lobby article first and source that addition! I have been an American since 1955, have taught English for decades, and never heard of a "mudroom". I'm certainly not unique in that. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. I also wonder what it means. Evidently, it is some type of entrance hall, hallway, vestibule, boot room, but there are differences between USA and Europe, and some countries specifically... According to AI, it seems that mudroom in very general is a room used to put out the shoes (and cloaks, etc.), room to separate "unclean" and "clean" parts of the house/flat, in cases where it is used, e.g. by taking of one's shoes (I suppose there is a term in Japanese as well). This is somehow unusual in the USA, so that might be why the colleague above asked about it. In addition, it seems that the US mudrooms might be larger, contain a wash machine, etc., I even saw a kitchen/stove on some images, which would not probably be the case in Europe, etc.
In summary, I believe that this is a term different from lobby, WD item lobby, entrance hall, entryway..., so it should be a different WD item.. Maybe it is like entrance hall ~ Hausflur.. and maybe some other WD item... that should be created or that I did not find it...
And more generally, I am not sure how to approach it within Wikidata... Is mudroom a type of lobby? Or vice versa? Or are they on the same level? And should the Austrian Vorzimmmer (German, probably Hausflur), Czech předsíň (formally the same as Vorzimmer, i.e. for-room) be considered the same in langs, within the same WD item, or does it differ?
--Pato Yapuq (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pato Yapuq
what term does the police report use? That should be used in this article, unless somebody has have real knowledge of that house. L.Willms (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah.. The police uses mudroom. But what is it? Seems that at least someone (above) had to ask... It seems to be a term that many (native!) speakers of English do not understand... And unfortunately, there is no wiki page that would explain it... Obviously, it is not a lobby.. Maybe something like entrance hall... but this has only one page in German... I did not look for other possible WD items, but either there is already something that means mudroom, or that item is missing... And, more complicated, what should be considered, within WD, synonyms (with local variations) and what should have deferent WD records? Pato Yapuq (talk) 04:22, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Divorce of Gene A Hackman's parents- error?

The 1950 US Census, dated 22 April, reports Eugene E Hackman and Lyda E Hackman living together as husband and wife in Newell, Illinois. This census data puts into question the accuracy of the statement "His parents divorced when he was 13, and his father later left the family." SBrasier (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dates of Gene A Hackman's USMC Service?

The 1950 US Census, dated 22 April, reports Gene A. Hackman living with his parents, Eugene E and Lyda E Hackman, in Newell, Illinois. This census data puts into question the accuracy of the statement "After his discharge in 1951, Hackman moved to New York City..." Hackman's discharge from the USMC would have occurred before April 1950. The census document lists his occupation as a salesman in a music store. SBrasier (talk) 14:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On examination of Marine Corps muster reports, Gene Hackman was stationed at the Marine Baracks, Great Lakes Naval Station, from January 1950 to sometime before October 1950, when he appeared on an October muster report. Newell, Illinois, is a two-hour drive from Great Lakes Naval Station. Hackman could have weekend employment during his time at Great Lakes. Marine Corps muster reports list Hackman discharged to the Marine Corps reserve in October 1951. SBrasier (talk) 20:24, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sequence of events

  • Maintenance worker arrives at house
  • Knocks on door
  • Nobody answers. Grows concerned, calls neighborhood security for a wellness check
  • Security and the worker see body (or bodies) through a window
  • Security calls 911 and Sheriff deputy arrives
  • Sheriff enters house and finds bodies

Sourced to the NYT article. Need to read the complete article, the beginning summarizes as bodies found by worker, but later gives more detail per above events. -- GreenC 16:48, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And the exact time Hackman’s pacemaker stopped detecting his heartbeat and the time they were found, too. RayKVega (talk) 02:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Can someone please update the length of his career from four to five decades. 60’s thru 2000’s is 5 decades. 2601:100:817E:280:6CB5:E479:397D:C2E4 (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've placed this in its own section. 331dot (talk) 20:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is 45 years per the Infobox (1959 to 2004). Over 40 years/four decades seems fine, imo. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mummification

Is it really neccessary to include this gory sensationalist side-show-type sentence? That normally happens to people who have been dead that long in a hot climate. Are we an encyclopedia or a sleazy tabloid? SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should just simply say "showing signs of decomposition" thus letting the link explain the process. Moxy🍁 22:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that, the details aren't noteworthy. —Alalch E. 00:39, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The exposed parts of their hands and feet became dried out, which they are describing as mummification. It helps reinforce that the bodies have been there for some time, days or weeks, rather than them having died just the day before. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But we have no need to establish a time frame we have date of death (according to a pacemaker and I'm sure we'll have a firm date for her down the road) and date of discovery. Decomposition is simply a fact that's going to occur over this time period. Moxy🍁 01:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we want to say that the bodies have been there for X amount of time, we should say it and "reinforce" it by adding a suitable reference, not by leaning the claim against another claim in article prose to create a perception that both reinforce each other. We are already saying that Gene "had been dead for nine days" based on the pacemaker data, whereas mummification “doesn’t tell you much” when trying to determine time of death per AP (link). —Alalch E. 04:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Hackman's age at the time of his USMC enlistment

A 1 April 1947 Marine Corps muster report shows Gene A Hackman, service number 643310, assigned to the Third Recruit Bn, Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Paris Island, South Carolina. If Hackman was born on 30 January 1930, he would have been 17 years and 2 months old at the time of his assignment to Marine Corps boot camp. This fact questions the accuracy of the claim that Hackman enlisted as a 16-year-old. The muster report identifies a few recruits as suspected under-age. However, Hackman was not reported as underage. Enlistment in the military under the age of 18 requires parental approval. Hackman may have joined the USMC soon after reaching the age of 17. Marine Corps boot camp lasted 10 weeks during Hackman's enlistment. SBrasier (talk) 22:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2025

Under Tribute please include Gene's Heartbreakers costar Jennifer Love Hewitt https://www.eonline.com/news/1414052/jennifer-love-hewitt-honors-heartbreakers-costar-gene-hackman-after-his-death 2607:FEA8:5D1D:6B00:7073:674C:C384:1B21 (talk) 23:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Added Jennifer Love Hewitt to the list, and included the source you provided in the 'multiple sources' citation list. Pineapple Storage (talk) 17:05, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Declined Oscar in succession box

The succession box at the bottom of the article currently implies that Hackman, George C. Scott and Marlon Brando all declined Oscars. There is no mention of that in the prose of this article, or in the other two articles, that I can quickly see, nor does a quick google suggest that Hackman declined an Oscar. I wasn't able to spot where this was inserted (and wikiblame just gives me a gateway timeout). Thryduulf (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hackman never declined an Oscar. I agree that the box is possibly confusing because he's straddled by Scott and Brando who did decline their Oscars in those respective years. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:37, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it imply that? —Alalch E. 06:10, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In either case, I have removed the succession box; for reasons see Special:Diff/1278396262.—Alalch E. 06:22, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bike crash Florida Keys on a Friday, 13th...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2086510/amp/Gene-Hackman-bicycle-accident-Actor-81-flown-hospital-hit-car.html 2A01:14:8080:3AD0:353B:2533:561B:C0A0 (talk) 08:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The deaths case coverage is slowly blowing up

This article is not long enough and robust enough of an article, generally speaking, to withstand the structural burden coming from the recent coverage of the widely discussed case. All of this detail should not be in it. Tributes, and all. I mean... "legacy". The way we are discussing the legacy of Gene Hackman is not the correct treatment. The content under the legacy subheading isn't the right content. The routine reactions to the death or deaths are not the legacy. Maybe they do not even belong in the article. I think that most details around the deaths case should be migrated to Draft:Deaths of Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa, and that draft should probably remain a draft, but it could be a useful working area, helping to decide what kind of summary to bring over here. —Alalch E. 18:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly their deaths really raised a lot of questions and gained so much attention, so part of me feels there should be its own page about their deaths. RayKVega (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also should we include online reactions? I mean, posts about Hackman and his wife’s demises are blowing up lately. RayKVega (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Once the mass interest subsides the section will be reduced to its essential facts. Moxy🍁 03:32, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gene

Gene Hackman was born in Danville Illinois 2604:2D80:9D04:4700:C6F:B0FF:E79A:BDB8 (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got proof?CRBoyer 17:03, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A movie in 1977

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_(1977_film)

. Seems like the movie is not mentioned. 2001:2020:355:AB0B:D42B:5926:41E2:3F31 (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And with good reason: he wasn't in it. CRBoyer 22:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the cast list and Hackman isn’t in it. No idea how did you think Hackman is in that movie, unless he was originally offered the role? RayKVega (talk) 02:41, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Years active"

The article mentions that he retired from acting in 2004 and only made two voice narrations for two television documentaries in 2016 and 2017, respectively (neither of which are notable enough to have their own article). Does this correspond to an "active career"? SNUGGUMS. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:52, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The range isn't exclusively limited to one type of activity, contrary to what you appear to suggest. One might call it a brief period of coming out from retirement, but either way using 2004 gives a false impression he did absolutely no professional work at all afterwards. Ignoring the documentaries just because they don't warrant their own articles would be a cheap cop-out when it's completely irrelevant to whether one is active in any capacity. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:28, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. Template: Infobox person explicitly states for years_active: Date range in years during which the subject was active in their principal occupation(s) and/or other activity for which they are notable. Are you saying narrating two TV documentaries was his primary occupation and/or what made him notable? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not; I meant that they do count as part of his filmography when (like his acting) these technically are credited roles he had. Ending it with 2004 for Gene here without even using a gap to account for doing a couple last things later sounded akin to saying something like the roles Ron Howard has as an actor shouldn't be factored in after largely shifting more towards directing and producing during adulthood as acting roles becoming more sporadic for Howard (and may have since been overshadowed by director/producer credits), even when also part of his resume. Hopefully the logic I used makes more sense now even if you still don't agree with the stance. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:56, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That needs to be judged on a case-by-case basis. Ron Howard actually had an extremely notable acting career before he took up filmmaking. So both of those count as his "primary" occupation. For Gene, he did not have a notable voice over (or writing) career after he retired from acting. Hence, only "acting" was his primary occupation and thus, per the infobox guidelines, the "years active" need to reflect just that. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, 1959–2004 is correct. His acting career ended in 2004. Narrating documentaries is not acting. Khiikiat (talk) 18:09, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, it turns out 2004 wasn't the time his last acting role; that actually came in 2008 as listed and sourced in the filmography section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:10, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SNUGGUMS: Are you referring to Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives? That was not an acting role. Khiikiat (talk) 18:29, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm My bad, I misread the table and thought something else was listed under TV roles that year, so scratch what I said there. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:38, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death

His dead was an enigma left to dicifer 2603:7000:6D3C:A1B8:501:F709:604A:51C1 (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BETSY DIED FIRST FEB 11TH. GENE DIED FEB 18TH

No suspicious circumstances. Betsy died from Hantavirus, caught from infected rodents (likely rats). Gene died from heart disease with alzheimers a secondary contributing cause of death. Post mortem on the dog is still pending. 82.20.255.83 (talk) 21:35, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source? 331dot (talk) 21:44, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TMZ:
https://www.tmz.com/2025/03/07/gene-hackman-death-investigation-update-santa-fe-new-mexico/ 2601:18C:8102:86C0:E83D:479C:34DE:B031 (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death necessity?

I'm not sure adding the cause of death in the infobox is necessary given he died at the age of 95 of an illness common in old age. If you look at the criteria, it says that having the cause of death in the infobox is necessary for biographies where the cause of death is notable to the subject's life story, especially if they died rather young (e.g. John Lennon, Steve Irwin, Heath Ledger) but should not typically be used for more natural deaths in old age (e.g. Ronald Reagan, Elizabeth Taylor, Bruce Forsyth). 92.236.118.94 (talk) 01:22, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; it should be omitted. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I agree in this instance, given the circumstances of the death were the subject of significant reporting in the days after he was discovered, and required a major press conference to confirm. They were unusual circumstances, despite natural causes. U-Mos (talk) 09:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I think it should be left where it is 2600:1000:A021:6295:1084:432A:CE92:BA9B (talk) 16:37, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going agree with @U-Mos here. RayKVega (talk) 20:33, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The cause of death should be removed from the infobox per the guidelines at Template:Infobox person and per WP:10YEARTEST. I don't think |body_discovered= is necessary either. Khiikiat (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean.....we didn't know Gene and his wife has already passed on and were never found until days after they both passed, so "body discovered" feels pretty necessary here. RayKVega (talk) 20:38, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It should be omitted, per instructions for use at [Template:Infobox person]]. I think it's already sufficiently covered in the lede section and the prose. Connormah (talk) 00:57, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death section; obvious questions unanswered

It says "police and chief medical examiner stated that Hackman died on February 18 as a result of severe heart disease complicated by advanced Alzheimer's disease, with Arakawa likely having died a week earlier on February 11 from hantavirus pulmonary syndrome"

Taking this at face value, this still leaves some major questions. First, I recall earlier articles stating that they had not heard from Gene in over a week. The question remains why would family not proactively contact him?

This would be surprising in most cases (unless estranged from family, in which case that should be stated) but even more so when it's a 95-year-old, where, family would be even more concerned after 2 or 3 days much less 7 or more days of silence.

Second, why would Gene just live with the body of his wife like that? Third, why not report her death to anyone? True, there is Alzheimer's reported, but if it was that severe, there should be even more reasons for caretakers to regularly check on him if the Alzheimer's was so extreme, then just daily tasks you'd want to check on him, and folks would visit (much) more often than once every more than a week.

This too is true in general -- and this too applies even more true in the case of a wealthy person who can easily afford multiple ways for him and his well-being to be checked on.

Before someone says it: I realize Wikipedia can't just answer all questions unless it's in the news reporting, police report, etc, but it would be very surprising indeed if no reporter asked any of these questions, or the police report or whoever the authorities are, not to comment on why the death of the wife was not reported for so long (I hardly follow celebrities but about 13 years ago I noticed a strange thing about the supposedly timeline given to the public, about Michael Jackson's death, and as I recal,l I commented in Talk section about that and how the article didn't address this strange aspect. My reaction seems to have been well placed as charges were later put on the doc in question)

I came to Wikipedia for answers, in a short reliable section of just the couple paragraphs under Death section, with reference, so was surprised to find nothing there to address any of these many issues. If this comments encourages anyone to dig and maybe find answers to add, and clarify, that would be great. Harelx (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officials-provide-critical-update-in-gene-hackman-death-investigation/ar-AA1AtFYA WereWolf (talk) 04:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was just announced this evening https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/santa-fe-county-sheriffs-office-to-provide-update-on-deaths-of-gene-hackman-and-wife/ WereWolf (talk) 04:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will try my best to update the article as we receive new information and respectfully request privacy we honestly don’t know much WereWolf (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe should this article be locked for protection somehow then...? WereWolf (talk) 04:55, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The AP just posted this six hours ago https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is happening randomly and rapidly I need help with research please WereWolf (talk) 09:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
His wife was clearly his caretaker, and it was probably believed that she was healthy enough to keep taking care of him in what everyone certainly believed were going to be his final few years. Given what we know, she was in reasonably good health for her age. Hantavirus is rare and very virulent, not something that only affects people in poor health. Families can be distant without being "estranged", which carries an implication of a deliberate cessation of contact. If you're interested in doing so, there are plenty of other sites on which to share judgmental commentary about who should have been concerned and how much. WP Ludicer (talk) 11:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Totally wasn’t what I was asking. I literally meant like an article.editing help I was the one doing the research I needed someone else to edit the article but thank you for explaining that I’ve been adding this information to the site for like 19 years thank you WereWolf (talk) 11:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2025

...last seen in public in March 2023 He was seen in public after that. That appearance in March 23 was one of his last appearances but not THE last. That was in April 24 as far as I can tell. See here: https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/entertainment/gene-hackman-94-spotted-in-new-photos-wearing-nearly-identical-outfit-from-weeks-earlier/

And another thing: ...his stomach had been completely empty, indicating he had not eaten for days, likely due to his mental condition

That's not what was stated during the press conference. The chief medical examiner Dr. Heather Jarrell said during the press conference that the empty stomach means he didn't eat for a couple of hours before his death. She didn't say days. I mean it's possible he hadn't eaten for days but we don't know that. And it's not what was said in the press conference. Food only stays in the stomach for a couple of hours. When somebody has his last meal at noon and then dies in the evening the stomach will probably also be empty for example. Tolmount (talk) 22:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The claim he had not eaten in days is unsourced; other sources in that section don't say that. 331dot (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. That's why it shouldn't be in the article. The italic parts in my request are quotes from the article. Tolmount (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/03/07/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-wife/80684790007/
"Investigators were unclear how Hackman spent his last days. Jarrell said the autopsy showed that Hackman hadn't eaten recently, but that he did not suffer from dehydration."
I'm no source expert but I maybe wrong TheSupremeMoron (talk) 01:47, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Cite_web&redirect=no WereWolf (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gene_Hackman
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