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This page gives a very one-sided view on this military confrontation: It is fully written from the American perspective, The tone is also less fro neutral (vectored, bingo fuel, the brand names of the missiles (which were the brands of the bombs dropped by the Serbs?), pilot nicknames).

Also, the title "Banja Luka incident" is npov; Banja luka is a city with 350.000 people where a lot of things happen. That in 1994 there was a air battle approx 60km southwest of the town, which happened to involve some americans, doesnt justify to call it Banja Luka incident. 9/11 isnt called the new york incident, and that in fact happened in the center of town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extrastart1 (talk • contribs) 07:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, do you have a better name to call this incident? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 00:11, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are casualties at the bombed factories recorded? --KnightMove (talk) 11:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple of sources used here that are flagged as generally unreliable, F-16.net (which looks to be an enthusiast site) and History.com (WP:RSPHISTORY). I propose removing them and replacing them if possible, otherwise removing the material if it cannot be reliably sourced. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

G'day all. This title tells us nothing about what the article is about, and I consider it should be moved to something more standard for aviation events, such as 2015 Russian Sukhoi Su-24 shootdown which is given as an example at WP:DESCRIPTOR. Given the sources don't definitely state who was flying the shot down aircraft and which air force they belonged to, and the RS and RSK aircraft were unable to be told apart by markings anyway, I propose 1994 Serb Jastreb J-21 shootdown. No other Serb (RS or RSK) Jastreb J-21s were shot down in 1994 to my knowledge, certainly there are none mentioned in Haulman. Also, to be fair, in terms of where this happened, if the aircraft flew to near Jajce then bombed Travnik and then flew back towards Udbina, they were a long way south of Banja Luka. Thoughts? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any sources available for the title of this incident? The Banner talk 14:07, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I can find. The current title appears to be made up. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that the shootdown of Scott O'Grady is sometimes referred to as the Mrkonjić Grad Incident, as least in this film review book (hardly a great source), and that may be why the same approach was taken here. My view is that even if a reliable source uses the "Banja Luka incident" formulation, is clearly fails multiple WP:CRITERIA, and a descriptive title is far better, especially in terms of recognisability, naturalness and precision. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:37, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not completely made up. This Dutch article refers to an incident in the vicinity of Banja Luka. (The newspaper misidentified the planes, however). Without any sources supporting another title, it is better to keep the present one. The Banner talk 03:59, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a source in English. If the argument here is that Banja Luka incident is the common name in English, there isn't any evidence of that I'm aware of. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:31, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is also not any evidence of another common name for the incident. The Banner talk 05:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And that is exactly why WP:NDESC applies here. Where there is no common name, we use a descriptive title such as the one I have proposed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Banja Luka incident → 1994 Serb Jastreb J-21 shootdown – A Google Books search failed to establish a workable common name for this shootdown incident. A search for the current title found very mixed results including a demonstration in Banja Luka in 1997, a civil disorder incident in Banja Luka in 2001 where one person was killed and 34 injured at the foundation stone laying ceremony for a mosque, and this shootdown, all on the first page. Tellingly, the reliable sources used in the article do not use this name for the shootdown. The current name also fails several WP:CRITERIA including recognisability, naturalness and precision. The shootdown also did not occur anywhere near Banja Luka, which was nowhere near the path between the airfield and target, with one J-21 crashing more than 100 km south west of Banja Luka. In such circumstances, WP:NDESC says to use a non-judgemental descriptive title reflecting NPOV. The explicit naming convention for incidents such as this is shown at WP:DESCRIPTOR where it gives the example of 2015 Russian Sukhoi Su-24 shootdown. To generate the proposed descriptive title I have followed this convention. As the aircraft of the Krajina Serbs and Bosnian Serbs were intermixed at Udbina, and pilots from both forces were involved in the mission, "Serb" is the best descriptor for the owner of the aircraft, followed by the type and the "what" is shootdown. According to a comprehensive study of manned aircraft downings in the former Yugoslavia during the 1990s wars by Haulman (referenced in the article), there were no other shootdowns of Serb-operated J-21 Jastrebs in 1994, but J-21s were lost in other years, so we need the year as a disambiguator. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:50, 15 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Sophisticatedevening ^(talk) 18:24, 22 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No evidence available that the proposed title while a quick Google search shows that the present title is often used. The Banner talk 13:41, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Proposed target is consistent, precise, natural, recognizable, and concise. My independent google searches also show the same pattern: searches with the words in the current article title bring up other topics. Using the words in the proposed target in web searches results in more relevant results. DrKay (talk) 15:57, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: No consensus here yet. Sophisticatedevening ^(talk) 18:24, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Banja Luka was the self-established capital of the Serb Republic in Bosnia at the time, thus the current title is open to misidentification and ambiguity, and the incident, as the nomination says, took place actually along the border with Croatia several miles to the west of this city. Darius (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

G’day Lineagegeek. I wondered if you might check your sources regarding whether the USAF squadron involved here is accurately identified. I’ve seen some conflicting info and would like to be sure it’s right before it goes through GAN. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peacemaker67 What is the conflict? If it's references to the 526th Tactical Fighter Squadron, that name was out of date in 1994. Perhaps confusion from a reorganization of the 526th's parent 86th Wing, which during the period of the incident was undergoing a reorganization from a fighter (actually, composite) to an airlift wing. The 526th deployed aircraft to Aviano, which eventually wound up at Aviano permanently, I believe. The 526th was inactivated at Ramstein on 1 July 1994 and the F-16s at Aviano started to be transferred to the 555th Fighter Squadron when it was activated at Aviano on 1 April, which was after this engagement. FWIW,the 31st Fighter Wing webpage credits the 526th with the shoordowns.Lineagegeek (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, some of the sources mentioned the wing, and when I saw the airlift aspect I thought maybe someone had got their wires crossed. If they were still 526th at the time of the shootdown, you have answered my query. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]