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Just a bunch of AI glurge with no clear connection to the article. |
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78.3.92.198 (talk) 19:05, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
This does not appear to be a serious proposal for improvement, especially since it's lacking any reliable source. It appears to be one of twelve AI-created "analyses" that the IP address posted. The first one posted initially said "the Wikipedia-style article" before changing the wording to "this article". Space4TCatHerder🖖 20:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
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Authoritarian dictatorship
Hello everyone! Should the government type of China be changed from "Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic" to "Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic under authoritarian dictatorship"?
In my opinion, it doesnt make sense to label Russia, Belarus and North Korea as authoritarian/totalitarian dictatorships but exclude China despite overwhelming amount of sources calling it an authoritarian dictatorship. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:25, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- No, is the short answer. TheUzbek (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Why? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- A somewhat longer answer is I don't feel objectively that these modifers add anything to the article. While I am not saying they don't have scholarly relevance those terms are vague. What is an authoritarian form of government? Its a vague modifier that does not actually say anything about the form of government, what institutions that exists in the state or how they operate (remember, non-liberal states can be run very differently from another). Communist state does, liberal democracy does, but not totalitarian and authoritarian. TheUzbek (talk) 09:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- This does not answer my question. By your logic, countries like Russia, Belarus and North Korea shouldn't be called authoritarian/totalitarian either, but they currently are in their Wikipedia articles.
- Why cant China be called an authoritarian dictatorship but these countries can? If these modifiers dont add anything important why dont you remove them from articles about Russia, Belarus and North Korea? Why remove them only from China? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Please see WP:OSE - we're on this page and your question was about the page for China, not the page for Belarus. Simonm223 (talk) 13:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Im sorry, i just think that it makes 0 sense to not call China authoritarian dictatorship because its "a vague modifier that does not actually say anything about the form of government" but ignore articles about Russia, Belarus and North Korea. What makes article about China so special? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Because mistakes have been committed to those articles and someone should go over there and correct them. TheUzbek (talk) 13:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- It's funny this is the article used at those other articles for an example of what not to do...lol. It's odd to link to a philosophy over government or political type as the parameter is meant for.Moxy🍁 22:09, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- How is a communist state a philosophy? It is the political type, the form of government of China. TheUzbek (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- It's funny this is the article used at those other articles for an example of what not to do...lol. It's odd to link to a philosophy over government or political type as the parameter is meant for.Moxy🍁 22:09, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Because mistakes have been committed to those articles and someone should go over there and correct them. TheUzbek (talk) 13:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Im sorry, i just think that it makes 0 sense to not call China authoritarian dictatorship because its "a vague modifier that does not actually say anything about the form of government" but ignore articles about Russia, Belarus and North Korea. What makes article about China so special? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Please see WP:OSE - we're on this page and your question was about the page for China, not the page for Belarus. Simonm223 (talk) 13:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- A somewhat longer answer is I don't feel objectively that these modifers add anything to the article. While I am not saying they don't have scholarly relevance those terms are vague. What is an authoritarian form of government? Its a vague modifier that does not actually say anything about the form of government, what institutions that exists in the state or how they operate (remember, non-liberal states can be run very differently from another). Communist state does, liberal democracy does, but not totalitarian and authoritarian. TheUzbek (talk) 09:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- No ofc not! that is so biased and violate wp:NPOV. that shouldn't be up to discussion inmo. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 22:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- But China is a dictatorship, how does telling the truth violate NPOV? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Why? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- Please read WP:RFCBEFORE Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- This RfC should be speedily closed. The formatting is malformed and the question isn't presented neutrally. The new account is clearly WP:NOTHERE and is just a burner for starting non-policy-based debates reminiscent of their username. They acknowledged on the Labour Party (UK) talk page that starting an RfC was a mistake, and then they started another RfC here afterwards. Yue🌙 09:20, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Concur with @Yue and @Lukewarmbeer that this RfC is malformed and poorly advised. It should be closed accordingly. Simonm223 (talk) 11:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Can you quote what part of my RFC i presented not neutrally? WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 13:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- "In my opinion ..." RfCs aren't for general inquiries related to your personal opinions or preferences. They're last resorts after you've exhausted all other policy-based options, i.e. throwing the question out there on the talk, being unable to resolve a dispute and asking for a third opnion, etc. Making a new account and immediately requesting for comments on discussions rehashed ad nauseam is an oversight at best and wasting the time of other editors at worst. The FAQ section at the top of this talk page is there for a reason. Yue🌙 22:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- Editors are not obligated to respond to me. It is entirely their choice to "waste their time" on me. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- When you initiate a formal discussion mechanism designed to resolve a serious dispute then involved editors are necessarily going to need to be involved in it unless they want to see articles degrade in quality. When that discussion is badly formed this, thus, wastes editor time. Simonm223 (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Tryng to inform our readers is a waste of time? This article has lost its relationships with academic editors because most simply avoid difficult users. This is a topic of mass academic publications....
- Heurlin, C. (2016). Responsive Authoritarianism in China. Responsive Authoritarianism in China: Land, Protests, and Policy Making. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-107-13113-2.
- Tang, L. (2017). China's Authoritarian Path to Development: Is Democratization Possible?. China Policy Series. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 978-1-317-70413-3.
- Ringen, S. (2016). The Perfect Dictatorship: China in the 21st Century. The Perfect Dictatorship: China in the 21st Century. Hong Kong University Press. ISBN 978-988-8208-93-7.
- Tang, W. (2016). Populist Authoritarianism: Chinese Political Culture and Regime Sustainability. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-020578-2.
- Moxy🍁 17:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- When did you care about scholarly literature? :P No one denies that it's a useful term when describing China. Most people deny using it to denote a form of government. For example, the book The Perfect Dictatorship does not describe China's form of government as authoritarian, but it describes China as authoritarian. Notice the difference? I advice people to actually read the books instead of referring to the book titles alone. I have read two of those, you none. TheUzbek (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes we understand you don't believe that authoritarian is not a form of government Moxy🍁 01:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Its an extremely vague term that says nothing about what institutions govern China. If you want to be specific and be helpful to readers you pinpoint them to communist states.
- As for that article, It doesn't refer to "form of government", but "style of government". Yes, sure, style seems more correct because it does not refer to any specific institutional arrangements or governing principles. That is why Orban's Hungary, Putin's Russia and Xi's China can all be labeled it without having to bother to explain to readers how that is. Again, read the sources you share. TheUzbek (talk) 07:58, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes we understand you don't believe that authoritarian is not a form of government Moxy🍁 01:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- When did you care about scholarly literature? :P No one denies that it's a useful term when describing China. Most people deny using it to denote a form of government. For example, the book The Perfect Dictatorship does not describe China's form of government as authoritarian, but it describes China as authoritarian. Notice the difference? I advice people to actually read the books instead of referring to the book titles alone. I have read two of those, you none. TheUzbek (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Tryng to inform our readers is a waste of time? This article has lost its relationships with academic editors because most simply avoid difficult users. This is a topic of mass academic publications....
- When you initiate a formal discussion mechanism designed to resolve a serious dispute then involved editors are necessarily going to need to be involved in it unless they want to see articles degrade in quality. When that discussion is badly formed this, thus, wastes editor time. Simonm223 (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Editors are not obligated to respond to me. It is entirely their choice to "waste their time" on me. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- "In my opinion ..." RfCs aren't for general inquiries related to your personal opinions or preferences. They're last resorts after you've exhausted all other policy-based options, i.e. throwing the question out there on the talk, being unable to resolve a dispute and asking for a third opnion, etc. Making a new account and immediately requesting for comments on discussions rehashed ad nauseam is an oversight at best and wasting the time of other editors at worst. The FAQ section at the top of this talk page is there for a reason. Yue🌙 22:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- agreed ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 22:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- This RfC should be speedily closed. The formatting is malformed and the question isn't presented neutrally. The new account is clearly WP:NOTHERE and is just a burner for starting non-policy-based debates reminiscent of their username. They acknowledged on the Labour Party (UK) talk page that starting an RfC was a mistake, and then they started another RfC here afterwards. Yue🌙 09:20, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
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