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Picture of the day is a feature on the main page that is urgently in need of other participants. There is no co-ordinator and I have been listing most of the POTDs myself, but now have less time to devote to Wikipedia than previously. For example, there are five days in May for which POTDs have yet to be selected. Help would be much appreciated. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth: I had no idea that the project was in such a concerning state. I'd love to help out, but I have no experience with POTD. What specific tasks does the project need more help with, since this isn't really clear at WP:POTD? — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 00:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, just found Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Guidelines. I'll give a go at creating one, I guess. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 00:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth and PerfectSoundWhatever: I used to be fairly active in scheduling POTDs myself, but have also taken a step back owing to real-life concerns. Despite this, I do still tinker with the templates to make sure they're in a consistent "house style" before Main Page appearance, and I would certainly be happy to do more scheduling if needed. (P.S. just a note that the POTD guidelines page is generally accurate but ever so slightly out of date.) — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:06, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwmhiraeth and Ravenpuff: I gave it a shot Template:POTD/2022-05-25. Would either of you mind letting me know if I did it correctly? I haven't placed any of the accompanying templates (e.g. {{Picture of the day}}) in case I made the POTD incorrectly. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PerfectSoundWhatever: Thank you, that looks excellent. I will add the requisite templates. If you and Ravenpuff can do a few POTDs, and @Amakuru: also helps, we should be able to keep up. I also appreciate Ravenpuff's attention to the MOS details that I often miss. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PerfectSoundWhatever, Cwmhiraeth, and Ravenpuff: thanks for agreeing to contribute to the project, the more hands we have on deck the easier it will be for everyone. That template looks great, I've just taken the minor liberty of removing the official name from the template. In most cases it is sufficient to call it by whatever the article title calls it, and it looked a bit excessive to also include the official name in the template. As Ravenpuff says, the guidelines are more or less fine. Just to highlight one of them (and those with experience in this project will recall that I beat this drum quite often!) - it is important that all facts used in the POTD template be cited to reliable sources. The article itself doesn't have to be fully cited (unlike the rest of the main page) but the prose used on the main page itself does need to be. Other than that, good luck!

And apologies to Cwmhiraeth, after a spate earlier this year I've not done much scheduling in the past couple of months due to off-wiki reasons. Will try to step back up to the plate again as much as I can. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we not have co-ords for a reason? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crisco 1492 was coordinator for many years but we do not currently have a coordinator. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• And before me, Howcheng... from its initiation, I believe. But yeah, I'm not willing to get back into the drama involved in the main page (and besides, you kinda need a mop IIRC). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I did it for a long time, but I was not the first person either. I don't think there was any single individual before me, but people like PFHLai contributed on occasion. I wrote the guidelines, but as I haven't been involved in a number of years, I'm not comfortable updating them if they're out of date. —howcheng {chat} 20:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, maybe our first point of call is to look around and see who might want to co-ordinate this task. Adam Cuerden is this something you'd like to be involved with, or can think of someone who would might be interested. As much as it probably needs someone with the mop, it might be pertinent to have someone very familiar with FP picking out the images and then having an admin add to the queue. Just a thought. I have so little knowledge of the pictures side of Wikipedia! Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your original question, there is no formal process for selecting a coordinator. Someone just has to be willing to step up. —howcheng {chat} 20:43, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I could, but I'd probably have to just schedule them in order, because I have too high of a proportion to get selective. Is there a list of FPs that haven't appeared? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 00:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Adam Cuerden: We have Category:Featured pictures that have not appeared on the Main Page, minus Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused for those which probably shouldn't appear. Certes (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. No list in order, eh? That's... awkward. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 10:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first thing I'm going to do is to clear out the ones on Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused that don't have particularly good reasons. We don't hold things back because a different version appeared on the main page anymore, so, come, Anatomy Lesson! Also anything that's blocked purely for risk of giggles. Wikipedia will survive a urination cartoon. I'll hold off on the sexual and extreme violent content, though. This removes seven items from Unused that I just can't see as being that controversial, and leaves eight, of which I could see three to five more being possible, the remaining ones, though, we've either missed the boat on (low-quality, better versions available, not used in any significant way anymore), or they're problematic as fuck. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 10:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to take over if we can get a bot to make a list of all featured pictures that haven't yet appeared on the main page in order that I can work from. Otherwise, it's impossible to be fair. I know there's going to need to be a certain amount of reordering things, but we really should be getting the oldest FPs first, barring anniversaries/holidays/other special events. We currently are good until June 22. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 12:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC) Okay, that's clever. Template:Featured picture does a bunch of auto-categorising, and sorts by date. I can work with that Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 13:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On another thread, is there a script or something I can use to notify pages and users that a POTD is coming up? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 12:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - it would be better IMHO to have the system where lots of people step in and do this, rather than having a single coordinator. I worked on this mostly on my own for a couple of years 2018-2019, and it's a lot of work for one person... which I think has been an issue for Cwmhiraeth recently too. As for ordering, I would oppose having a bot do it, due to the FPs now being equally spaced in terms of what was promoted when. The older ones tend to be a lot of artworks and coins etc, and we purposely do not schedule those all in order. As noted above, I'm happy to muck in with this as and when, without committing to doing all the work myself!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I meant more as to whether we could have a script where you set up, say, Template:POTD/2022-06-09 then clicked a button, and it notified the article and nominators for you. Well, I've spaced out the remaining bits of Hunting of the Snark, next step is to go through and start setting up the money. Think we should have one or two money-related FPs every month until we run out (which looks to be about 5 years into the future, but once they're set up, we can ignore them). Any volunteers? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 14:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just want to say thanks to everyone here and on WP:DYK who managed to make this Runestone's appearance on the mainpage such a success. It's felt wonderful. Given that the image looks to be passing WP:FPC, I suppose we'll be seeing it again in a couple years, but this has been a wonderful start. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 10:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the file name before clicking on it. It's exactly what it sounds like.

Okay. Let's talk. Should this appear in Picture of the day? I think there is educational value in shocking people sometimes, but I'm inclined to say, "No", because there's a lot of photographic decisions that might be coincidental, but which also feel like they paint a narrative:

Not photographing the face is a photographic decision that reinforces the dehumanisation of the victim. The hat - seriously, why would he be wearing a hat after a lynching - hides any evidence of beatings prior to the lynching. His neck is hidden by the collar, hiding the actual lynching except for a short bit of chain. His arms are tied, but that isn't possible. It feels like this photograph was staged, the body arranged to lessen the violence, and hide the humanity of the victim.

Also, there's an extreme lack of documentation for this image. Other than knowing it comes from 1925, we don't know where it happened, we don't know who it happened to. And, I hesitate to say this, but the lack of documentation means we don't even know for certain this was a real hanging: stage rigs for fake-hanging someone aren't particularly complex. (Obviously, lynchings happen, but that would go some way to explaining some of the other features of the image).

I'm open to violence on the main page. But it needs to serve a purpose. Any objections to leaving this one off? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 11:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Literally can’t remember what it was I came here to say Chris (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]