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	I appreciate your nice and friendly tone in discussions. Eisfbnore (会話) 18:26, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article Bosnian genocide denial you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bosnian genocide denial for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mhare -- Mhare (talk) 21:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! Great work! The article certainly has potential, and I think we can nudge it even further. Next step would be peer review. Eisfbnore ^(会話) 23:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both, Mhare as a reviewer, and thank you Eisfbnore on your good suggestions and genuine will to help improve the article. I really hope you will retain interest so that we can keep up the good work on everything that follows, with both actual improvements and promotion - I realized that there is still room for that with "A" class, "Featured Article", and so on. I also read the article "The Holocaust in Slovakia" last night, and it is an exquisite job you did there. Also, I hope that Calthinus, Resnjari and others will continue to contribute. Thank you to all - stay safe and take care.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 10:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's nice but I think the credit should go to Buidhe wrt the Slovakia article. Eisfbnore ^(会話) 12:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, my apologies to Buidhe, obviously I confused some discussions, somewhere ¯\_(゜-゜)_/¯.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 13:00, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you notice the recent Twitter spat between Jasmin Mujanović and Glenn Greenwald? [1] Interesting to watch how certain stuff never seems to settle completely…Eisfbnore ^(会話) 02:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Eisfbnore, this is really interesting, and really unfortunate. There are lots of noise in that thread, but ultimately in one of his answers, and that's my feeling, Greenwald quite exaggerated understanding of how he was regarded and described by Mujanović, aside that he was really over the top with his insult, and that he interpreted Jasmin's point rather poorly. Hey, I want you to know that I'm counting on some of your inputs, sometime in the future, when I return to this article - or, if you decide to work on it yourself, alert me I will help.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 08:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, not the most charming aspect of left-wing purity politics/vampire castle…sorta brings out the worst in people. Greenwald is a journalist, and a very good one, so he should be expected to do a quick background check before he tweets out. Tankie twitter accounts are also extremely easy to spot, even if they don't have a ☭ or a cute DPRK flag in their display name. He also at times can be very abrasive and easily triggered, which I don't think is helping anyone.

I hope you liked my recent addition to BGD article – I finally got round to it. There's plenty of stuff on the documentary on the web, although 90 % in Norwegian, of course. Maybe the blurb I wrote was too long, maybe too short. I don't know. It is an interesting case of bothsidesism completely landing on its face, with a legitimate grievance (Orić' looting and murdering) turned into uncritical lip service for genocidal maniacs. It was a decisive turning point in the typical Norwegian "just-asking-questions" type of documentary film making, especially after the outrage it created. Eisfbnore ^(会話) 09:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out you can watch the documentary in its entirety on YouTube (with Italian subs). Eisfbnore ^(会話) 19:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, my thoughts exactly. In context of the Balkan wars in the 1990s, they were often exposed flirting with the most heinous of extreme ideological narratives of the far-right - uninformed or unsuspecting reader would think, a truly freakish deviation among the radical left, but it's nothing new and it's not just radical left [2], unfortunately. The situation today could be even more palpable [3], with rise of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and situation with emigration. But there are also those who have tried, and still do, to save the face of the “left,” just like Weinberg, the Lippman brothers, and others.

Also, you read my mind - I did not have the opportunity to watch the doc. Unfortunately I don't know much of Italian, and I don't understand Norwegian - I'll try to find (any language transcript) on the Internet, if it existed somewhere online, then I could make my own subtitle.

And one more thing, this passage you wrote is great, but it's not the only thing I had in mind - for some reason I convinced myself that you had previously worked on the promotion of articles to "A" and "FA", and that's what I would like you to help me with, when you have the time and energy (or I would help you).--౪ Santa ౪^99° 21:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're able to make it past the vomit-inducing intro (complete with orientalizing string music), you'll find that the dialogue happens to be in Serbo-Croatian, and the narrating voice dubbed into English for this version. No need to worry about the subs. I have toiled a bit in the FAC vineyard, although exclusively as a reviewer. Despite my familiarity with the process, I still find it a bit daunting…I'm also not sure that I'll stick around after the 'rona, as RL will take its demands, leaving little to no time for WP editing. Anyhow, I need to get some sleep now, since it is our Constitution Day on the 17th. Gatherings are officially limited to twenty people, and there'll be no parade downtown, but I hope it'll be joyous and fun nevertheless. Journalists are falling over themselves to compare it to occupation era Norway, as you might imagine…Eisfbnore ^(会話) 23:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Eisfbnore, you're right, it's nauseating to watch this damn documentary, but the good thing is that you are in control on Youtube, so you can alleviate all the pain of listening that ill-willed, distorting narrative by skipping through, coming back if necessary, and watching it section by section. I missed a lot but on first watch, but I wasn’t at all surprised by what I saw and heard, and I probably didn’t miss much by skipping some of the parts. Bottom line, I’m glad I finally managed to see it, and I’ll watch it again to catch those parts I missed. Hey, I hope you had a good time for Statehood Day, and that everything went smoothly.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah 17th was fine, although pretty boring, since we couldn't move around that much. First time I have been clear-headed and not hungover on the 18th. ;-) Anyhow, I'm glad you were able to stomach some parts of the doc, even though most of the talking points delivered will be familiar to you, I guess. I'd recommend running http://srebrenica hyphen genocide.blogspot.com/2011/10/byen-som-kunne-ofres-serbisk-propaganda.html (spam filter prohibits linkage) through Google Translate, for a point-by-point refusal of the ludicrous statements given. Eisfbnore ^(会話) 20:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's really cool that Norwegian Helsinki Committee reacted this way, they really pressed the issue.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 01:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I remember folks were very satisfied with the final verdict by the Norwegian Press Complaints Commission, which definitely drew a line in the sand. I hope you were able to make som sense of the Google Translate job. A phrase frequently used in the document is "å sette ting på hodet", which translated directly means "to put things on its head", i.e a preposterous claim, not "put matter on your mind". :-) Also, "Vær Varsom Plakaten" is "Be Careful/Considerate/Conscientious Placard", not "Weather Warning Poster". Eisfbnore ^(会話) 02:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your edit summary about a possible sock. Do you suspect some editor in particular? EdJohnston (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, EdJohnston, first let me wish you and yours good health, I hope all is well at your end. As for suspicion expressed in my "edit summaries", well, it seems to me that most likely culprit should be sought between at least three possible candidates, all of them closely tied to hr.wikipedia, but I suspect one editor in particular: IP on 27 April, IP on 1 May, and editor "of interest". I hope I have not misinterpreted your query. Stay safe, EdJohnston, and take care.--౪ Santa ౪^99° 21:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Special:Contributions/188.252.192.0/18 I see a variety of interests, so surely more than one person active. There isn't much reason for a rangeblock. You are hinting that a named editor could be avoiding a restriction but the evidence would have to be specified more clearly. I could see some reason for semiprotections, but only with further study. Thanks for your good wish. EdJohnston (talk) 23:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Islamophobia in scholarship has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. gnu57 17:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:Islamophobia in non-fiction requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Hello/Salam,

Thanks for your edits :-) VR _talk 21:49, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I just wanted to say I disagree. I share your concerns about possible non-encyclopedic interests at play, but it is a mistake to have faith that our topic area will be rescued by some well-meaning Westerners or Koreans or whoever. Whenever non-Balkanians get involved, they either don't make enough effort to actually learn the matters at stake, or they do but then get sucked in -- myself, Taivo, Fut Perf... -- and end up accused of voting in one of the Balkan "blocs" anyways -- which imo should raise questions about whether these "blocs" are actually based on ethnicity or instead based on personalities, who simply assert they are "ethnic blocs" in order to obscure the interpersonal dynamics at play, which are the real reason for much of the allegedly "ethnic" bloc behavior. Hence I (and even Cinadon -- a Greek!) get mistaken for an Albanians (except for that episode my old userpage was defaced by someone who thought I was a Greek...), and Taivo and FP for Macedonians. There is no reason to think it is somehow going to change the game if Sandstein invents this rule. Really, the best thing I have seen happen to Balkan topics is native Balkan editors who are actually conscientious and working to build an encyclopedia, including working with "the other side". Sandstein's non-policy threw out the baby with the bathwater. --Calthinus (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure I have a smart or complete answer, if such exists at all, the whole question is too depressing to contemplate - instead of enjoying editing as a sort of a nice hobby, we all-too-often find ourselves in a situation stressful as if we are friggin' air traffic controllers or something. Far from being the only scope on the project that is infected with the deep problems of non-encyclopedic attitudes, nationalism, bias and pov-pushing, the Balkan scope situation is seriously depressing nevertheless. I must admit I especially agree with your observation about the lack of effort and knowledge on the part of the "outsider" editors, once they decide to engage - I expressed concerns similar to your own occasionally. Ultimately, there are worse things for editors than getting desperate and angry, or getting attracted to unusual propositions and solutions, which is "wiki-retirement", or even worse, "wiki-suicide".--౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the dedication and conclusion of the review. I would not pursue it to reach a FA status, though, since I know how exhausting a FA review can be, they fight and scrutinize you for every little word in the article.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated mergers of two categories created by you:

• Category:Flag of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Flags of Bosnia and Herzegovina 
• Category:Flag of defunct Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia to Category:Flags of Bosnia and Herzegovina

If you wish to comment, please do so at WP:CFDS. – Fayenatic London 09:18, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm running through the categories in WP:LAKES and came across two that you created that seem to describe the same thing. Could you explain the difference or let me know if it makes sense to merge these. Thanks. Category:Subterranean lakes in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Category:Underground lakes of Bosnia and HerzegovinaWolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 15:33, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! I've rated nearly 8,000 pages for WP:IR and note you changed my importance rating of Neo-Ottomanism for the project. Given that this page clearly needs to be improved, may I ask why? Johncdraper (talk) 09:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism was committed on this page, they put Croatian literature to be Serbian, they just changed Croatian to Serbian, and the sources say Croatian can you fix that, i would but it's semi protected so i can't. Siverije repaired, but vandalism was committed again.Thanks [[4]], history page [[5]]