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I know this is an established notion that is by no means limited to this article, but it's just occurred to me - if the country of Australia comprises the whole of the continent of Australia, what continent is New Zealand part of? Surely not Asia? [[User:Pomegranate|pomegranate]] 12:33, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
I know this is an established notion that is by no means limited to this article, but it's just occurred to me - if the country of Australia comprises the whole of the continent of Australia, what continent is New Zealand part of? Surely not Asia? [[User:Pomegranate|pomegranate]] 12:33, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
:From my understanding, New Zealand isn't a part of any true continent, but is a part of Oceania or Australasia, which is a 'region', one which also contains the continent of Australia. At least that's what I think. [[User talk:TPK|T.]][[User:TPK|PK]] <small>13:15, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)</small>
:From my understanding, New Zealand isn't a part of any true continent, but is a part of Oceania or Australasia, which is a 'region', one which also contains the continent of Australia. At least that's what I think. [[User talk:TPK|T.]][[User:TPK|PK]] <small>13:15, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)</small>
:New Zealand is not part of any continent, or continental shelf. Australia is a continent, and its continental shelf includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea, just as Europe's continental shelf includes the UK.--[[User:Cyberjunkie|Cyberjunkie]] 13:28, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Population data

File:Australian population data as a percentage 1881-2000.png
Colony/state populations as a percentage of total population

Can someone find a nice place for this? The data comes from Changing patterns of population distribution in Australia --CloudSurfer 22:17, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

thanks, added to demographics of Australia. clarkk 14:26, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Australia in the Pacific?

A question has arisen in Talk:Pacific Ocean as to whether it's fair to say (as Pacific Ocean does) that Australia is "in" that Ocean. Australia is bounded on the west by the Indian Ocean, no? And on the south by the Southern Ocean, by the Oz definition of that. So is it considered to be "in" the Pacific? Sharkford 20:17, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)

Prehaps "on the edge of", or "the southwestern boundary of", instead of "in". T.P.K. 07:15, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Australia

I despise stereotypical Australian accents. The l is NOT elided. Does anyone have any evidence to suggest otherwise? Comment on the above: I despise people who say things like I despise the "stereotypical Australian" accent/ you are clearly a pompas arse.

Besides, an Australian would say Q_rstr\{Ili6.

moved a paragraph from economy section, pending sources and npov

moved from "economy" section in article, pending sources and npov-ing (this was added by an anonymous ip contributor), it seems a little too pro-liberal partisan, somebody with more economics than me needs to back this up with sources and apply npov where necessary: clarkk 06:18, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

These reforms have coincided with strong total factor productivity growth in the Australian economy. The strong supply-side policies implemented during this period have also been aided by the successful macroeconomic management of the Australian economy, which have complemented the supply-side policies in achieving some of the lowest interest rates in two decades, price stability and a low unemployment rate.

Earliest arrival?

On the date of earliest human arrival, I haven't seen any evidence to support a date of 80,000 years ago, or for that matter 60,000 years ago. See this New Scientist article (which references a journal article in Nature if somebody wants to look it up), this page, or this article by Tim Flannery, all suggesting the mainstream opinion is around 45-50 thousand years ago. --Robert Merkel 04:55, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There is evidence of occupation over 100,000 years ago, Robert, but it comes from a single site, and has been strongly disputed. It doesn't seem to be taken seriously anymore. Most experts now seem to think that the correct date falls between 40,000 and 60,000 years. Flannery has mentioned various dates over his career (as new evidence comes to hand) the 47,000 in the article you linked to; 53,000 in a recent book. (I'm not sure which figure - the 47,000 or the 53,000 - represents Flannery's current view.)
Michael Archer in Going Native (Hodder, 2004) more-or-less accepts around 50,000 years as a given, but goes on to say that many Australian archaeologists believe that significantly older dates are plausible - dates in the order of 55,000 to 75,000 years ago. Archer writes: Given the Flores discoveries and their consequences for understanding the dispersal capabilities of H.ergaster and/or H. erectus immediately on our doorstep, we can't see why the real dates for human arrival in Australia shouldn't turn out to be much earlier than currently accepted, even well in excess of 100,000 years.
Archer laments the rise in sea levels that mean that the most likely sites to investigate for evidence of early occupation - i.e., seashore sites - are 120 metres underwater now. Nevertheless, he is confident that evidence can still be found further inland, and will be found eventually.
Despite all the above, both Archer and Flannery agree that the oldest firm dates we have are around 50,000 years ago, give or take. Older dates than this remain speculative. Tannin 23:58, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'll try to rewrite to reflect that. --Robert Merkel 02:09, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Tannin


Any reason why Australia's capital city isn't Canberra and it's monarch Elizabeth II?

Draig Goch20

I'm sorry.. I dont understand. - Aaron Hill 02:06, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
A) It is B) It is. And so says the article.--MEYazYaz06:22, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Queen here? I don't think so

While I support the Queen's picture at Government of Australia, I do not support it here. It would be more appropriate to use John Howard's picture (and update it to new Prime ministers, if they ever come).--ZayZayEM 04:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I just replaced the picture. I don't know which annoys me more, but JH's picture is definitely the more appropriate given the actual influence both figures have on Australia's government. --Robert Merkel 06:10, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I agree with you both. Tannin 12:27, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Additional demographic information Silm 29 Nov. 2004

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Population Density and "Interesting Facts"

Australia is more densely populated than (refer to List of countries by population density and [1]):

And an interesting facts section? Please no. - Aaron Hill 07:04, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

The source I used was [2]. can you atleast incorporate those facts somehow instead of just deleting them? --Hemanshu 10:54, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well the density fact is wrong.. and define "a beach". It's too vague to be verifiable in my opinion. - Aaron Hill 03:02, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Wouldn't Australia have the longest shoreline of any country in the world? That sounds more like a verifiable fact. - Mark 08:33, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's quite a good point, I'll try and find a source for it. - Aaron Hill 23:45, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

I think it's beaten by Canada? Possibly Russia as well. -- Chuq 01:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, a quick google search indicates the crown goes to Canada. - Mark 13:18, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

parameterised infobox_country template

the bugs in parameterised templates seem to be largely ironed out, so it may be time to consider using the infobox country template. in any case, just so it doesn't get lost and is here for discussion (i originally had it in the article as an html comment, but it was recently removed), here is what it would look like:

The whole continent?

I know this is an established notion that is by no means limited to this article, but it's just occurred to me - if the country of Australia comprises the whole of the continent of Australia, what continent is New Zealand part of? Surely not Asia? pomegranate 12:33, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)

From my understanding, New Zealand isn't a part of any true continent, but is a part of Oceania or Australasia, which is a 'region', one which also contains the continent of Australia. At least that's what I think. T.PK 13:15, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
New Zealand is not part of any continent, or continental shelf. Australia is a continent, and its continental shelf includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea, just as Europe's continental shelf includes the UK.--Cyberjunkie 13:28, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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