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Seriously - loads in here about his wife, but nothing about her very public and humiliating affair with his brother? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.65.228 (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced that the 'Controversies' section helps the article; it pulls anything arbitrarily considered 'controversial' (though only from his Speaker career - controversies from his MP career are in the Political Career section) out into a completely different section of the article from anything else he was doing at the time. I'd have thought it would be more sensible to put the article basically into chronological order and merge in the controversies when they happened, with appropriate headings.

Any objections? TSP (talk) 17:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CHill1045 and 62.178.67.134: Please, explain why Bercow's possible retiring would happen in the summer of 2018 instead of 2019. As I said in the reversion summary,

Reference was posted after the summer of 2018. Besides, it says: “His departure, in June or July, would coincide with his tenth year in office.” The election took place in 2009.

Until so, I'll be reverting these edits. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 12:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eduardogobi:

I'm not going to get into any wars over this. The thinking behind my original edit, however, was not that Bercow would retire in 2018 but that it had previously been his stated intention to retire in 2018. This is mentioned in the BBC News article you cite: "When he took the job in June 2009, Mr. Bercow said his intention was to quit by June of this year [2018], after nine years in the chair."

The story was covered in the papers last year, for example in The Times: "When Mr. Bercow stood for the speakership in 2009 he said he would serve for no longer than nine years, which elapses on June 22 [2018], next Friday."^[1] And Politics Home: "Speculation has been mounting in recent months over when Mr Bercow is due to stand down, having initially pledged to quit the role after nine years - a deadline which passes on 22 June [2018]."^[2]

Here's what he said to parliament in 2009: "Speaker Onslow was elected at 36 in 1728 and he stayed in situ for more than 30 years — not a danger in my case, given my commitment to serving no longer than nine years in total"^[3]

In light of all this, I'm not sure the paragraph makes sense in its current form - because, as I hope has been established, Bercow had originally said he would leave in the summer of 2018. CHill1045 (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CHill1045 has shown comprehensively in his post above that Bercow said he intended to resign in 2018. It is possible, looking at what Eduardogobil said in his edit summary, that he misunderstood the reference in the BBC report to "this year". Though posted after the summer, i.e. in October, "this year" still refers to 2018. The paragraph is currently irrational as it suggests that "June or July 2019" is contradictory of the phrase "the summer of 2019". CHill111045 has totally made his case and I intend to edit accordingly.Aineireland (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am tagging this page because the lead is supposed to have four paragraphs at maximum. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IP, could you please DISCUSS the matter here, rather than just keep edit warring to force in your preferred version?
Bercow has made thousands of decisions in his role as speaker. We do not report each and every one of them, particularly in such detail as the edit you are trying to force in. By concentrating so much on this one point you add too much WP:WEIGHT to one small aspect of his biography.
You cannot complain that I have rolled back your edits with no explanation, "just acronyms with no meaning". They do have meaning, and you have to read the policies and guidelines to find out what we do and why we do it. WP:BRD tells you not to editbwar, but to discuss the issue if your edit is reverted, and WP:STATUS QUO says to leave the old version in place while it's being discussed. Given that, rather than edit war: please DISCUSS your proposed changes to gain a consensus, rather than just edit warring. - SchroCat (talk) 00:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If I pull out of that text something resembling a justification for rolling back a researched, concise and cited edit; it is that the subject is not deemed important enough to justify a paragraph? If that is your position, I'm struggling to understand how you've come to that conclusion given the magnitude and significance of the event in question. Hence why there's a cited link where the event is front page news in several national publications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.194.98 (talk) 01:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

IP, not everything that you deem "important", nor everything for which a reliable source can be cited, belongs in an encyclopedic article. Come down off your high horse and make your case, if you can, for keeping the content. Lack of consensus can be reason enough here not to keep challenged content. Review the policies described at the links that Schrocat has provided you first, however, so that you'll understand what our policies are. General Ization ^Talk 01:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]