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Years ago, i got stuck in my brain the idea that there's something wrong about modern English singling out the first-person singular pronoun to be spelled with a capital letter. So i spell it without the capital -- except at the beginning of a sentence, or when i'm not the sole author. If you follow my example, native speakers will just figure you're ignorant of the basics.

(I also say the above, and a bit more on my User page.)

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• Dialogue with Adam Carr (14 KB, 2004 Jul 16)
• Jerzy as Administrator (16 kB, '04 Sep- Oct)
• Turkey (often re Armenians) (19 kB,
• Wikipedia Categories (9 kB, 2004 Nov 4)
• Carleton College (9 kB, 2004 Nov 6)
• TRAC Programming language (6.7 kB, 2004 Nov 8)

These are more chronological than my Topical Archives listed in the immediately previous section.

• /Archive Index

While this heading & some content in its section may be maintained for the long term, its pre-18:31, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC) content has been moved to /Top Arc TRAC.

Thanks for the tip on the Scientific American article! I happened to go through Miami airport last week, on a conference trip, and bought myself a copy. It may be a month or more before it shows up in bookstores around here...Jorge Stolfi 04:30, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hey, I moved the article without any difficulty. Don't know what was up with that. john 05:01, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The reason you couldn't move it was because List of people by name: Ste needed to be deleted first. Unless a page redirects to the same page that are you are trying to replace it with (and always has done - you can't just edit it to make it a redirect there), then you need to delete a redirect before you can move something into its place. Anyway, it should be ok now. Angela. 09:01, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)~

Good morning. I've moved List of people by name: Bo-Bq to List of people by name: Bo as you requested. I'll leave you to sort out redirects. Angela. 06:43, May 5, 2004 (UTC)

[ JML]
Your comment about a redirect with no history makes me think that maybe I could do this myself without fouling things up, but I'd rather play safe.

An article was moved from Modeling (NLP) to Modelling (NLP), leaving a redirect. I think it should be moved back with a redirect where the article now is. I explained the background at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#August 4, but it seems like it can take a while for anything to happen on that page. I noticed your expression of particular willingness to help with such situations, so I'm calling it to your attention. Thanks for anything you can do. JamesMLane 20:15, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for laying out the process in detail for me. That was exactly what I needed. I think I've moved the article, and even fixed the links, without causing any floods or earthquakes. I gather from your comment on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion that you can handle the administrative followup needed there, which would be great.

By the way, just in case you haven't come across it, one of my favorite articles on Wikipedia is American and British English differences. It's very useful when you need to get a handle on how something is "spelt" in Commonwealth usage. JamesMLane 23:49, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hiya! I was wondering if you noticed any weird behaviour from the system when you made those edits to WP:VFD earlier? Because your 12:11 edit "Logamnesia — Add to this discussion - +=== July 7 === blw it" caused a doubling of the whole page, and then your 12:18 edit "pre-ToC: + 7th; rlk 1st to /Old" caused another one!!

Did you hit any edit conflicts? I notice that you were moving some section headers around, thought maybe that we could be onto a clue here as to what causes the page-doubling? —Stormie 02:04, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

<KF> tk User talk:KF#List of people by name: Fi

• 00:10, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (edit conflict with myself)
• 00:09, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (Please let me save this page)
• 00:06, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (Bin-Bio)

Hi, thanks for your message, which I believe I haven't fully understood. Thanks also for cleaning up the list of people. Whatever happened, whether it was my connection, my ISP, or Wikipedia itself running slowly, I thought there was no way I could save that page. At 00:09, after waiting for three minutes, I pressed the save button a second time. Then I got a message telling me I was having an edit conflict with myself. I pressed the save button a third time and gave up. It has happened to me before, I don't know if it also happens to other people.

All the best, <KF> 22:42, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

See especially #VfD section doubling in #Section-editing Anomolies above.

On Template talk:VfDFooter, you suggested that the silence means we should add the anti-ad language back to the footer. I'd rather wait a while longer. The instructions are much too clumsy right now. I've already made my case for why I think the ad language is overkill. Let's both take a few more days to see if we can drum up any more interest in discussing the point. Thanks. Rossami 15:13, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I like it. And I'd never found WP:RFC before. Thank you. Let's do the collaboration on the talk page. I'll start a draft there (unless you already have). Rossami

St
Hi Jerzy, got your message about closing VfDs..

As a freshly appointed admin, I decided to help reduce the size of the VFD page by closing off some 5-day-old entries, and, not being sure of the exact process, I read Wikipedia:Deletion process. It makes absolutely no mention of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old (which I'd never heard of before), it just says (paraphrasing) at the end of the VFD period, determine whether the consensus is to keep or delete, add the header and footer to the discussion page and link it from the article talk page (if you're keeping) or Wikipedia:Archived deletion debates (if you're deleting), and remove the listing from the VfD page (emphasis mine).

So I think some editing to Wikipedia:Deletion process is in order. :-)

Now that you've brought VfD/Old to my attention, I'll help out with clearing things out there. Although I may not be that much help, since I don't intend to touch anything that isn't completely clear-cut in its voting until I'm more experienced at this. —Stormie 23:22, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

p.s. I'm not sure what you mean by "what reason is there for the confusing and less efficient practice of closing and perhaps taking action before midnite, unless you are going to reduce the excessive size of VfD by getting the entries off VfD?" — the two I closed (The Meritocracy and Tips for New Poker Players), I actually removed from the VfD page before I closed the debate & actioned the delete (see [1]). —Stormie 23:42, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy.. it occurred to me after I posted that p.s. that maybe you had VFD opened up from before I edited it, such is life. As for the instructions on Wikipedia:Deletion process, I'm happy to have a stab at clarifying them—I'll drop you a note when I've done so, so you can have a glance over the page and make sure it all (a) makes sense and (b) accurately describes the desired procedure. Cheers! —Stormie 00:52, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

OK, I've revised Wikipedia:Deletion process. It didn't change much, just explained the VfD/Old situation, and copied in a little bit from Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators to remind people to pay heed to redirects and links when deleting a page. Hope you like it! —Stormie 03:47, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Hello, Jerzy. 10 days on VfD is a long time, and the art in question hadn't been significantly changed since Manning's reverse-redir and copyedits. I'm not sure what you expect to happen by continuing to leave the VfD discussion up, though I understand it is an emotional issue for the participants. Feel free to explain your concerns on my talk page. Cheers, +sj+ 04:36, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC) (after reading your comments on VfU, I have a slightly better understanding of what you hope for... but still no sense of how you will determine when it is appropriate to archive te VfD discussion.)

You're a fairly new admin, so I suppose you don't remember when the recommendation was that VfD-templates be deleted once the VfD discussion was over. I can live with the community decision, since then, to keep everything... but it wasn't because the GFDL requires that. Similarly, I agree that as long as one is preserving a large block of text with unsigned edits, it is nice to preserve its edit history; moving it to a Talk:foo/Delete page is a great solution. And again, this is for neatness's sake more than for legal reasons; a user leaving an unsigned comment, then set in amber and referred to by others, on a talk page about a piece of actual content -- is many steps removed from a copyright grievance; note for instance that the GFDL is content to have a list of [major] editors of a body of work for a given year, without any details of who contributed what where.

In any case, thank you for caring about these issues, and for fixing the things you see as broken. Wiki works best when editors are bold, and don't worry about pushing back on one another. +sj+ 08:51, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

ps - why do you make 'routine dummy edits' to your own talk page? +sj+

I think my solution meets a nice midpoint. The article has changed substantially, and the article it was supposed to redirect to got changed to a redirect to it. However, since it should be Genital integrity and not Genital Integrity, I'm still hacking at it a bit. But I think the matter is basically settled. Oy. Snowspinner 21:24, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

SP t
If you feel that a VfD vote has failed, the best option is often to relist it on VfD for a second round and see if things turn out differently. - SimonP 17:10, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy. Thanks for explaining your dummy edits, and I'm glad we're on the same wavelength again about moves and deletions. I'm just writing to remind you to vote in the ArbComm elections on En: today. Raul654 and I are both running on platforms to make the AC fast and efficient, and I'd like to help it view its own infallibility with a healthy grain of salt. +sj+ 22:39, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

AC et al

Yes, you can vote more than once. Only your last ballot is counted. You should vote for every candidate you would like to see in office!

+sj+ 22:54, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You, sir, are an asshole. Because I'm too lazy and too busy to get in some petty war over a signature, I will remove the link that you have a problem with. However, you are still an asshole. Don't ever mess with my (or anyone else's, for that matter) signature again. It's not your place. I'm not quite sure how you made admin, going around doing rude, unilateral, agregious shit like that. blankfaze | •• | •• 14:16, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Now that I've cooled down a bit, I want to apologise for calling you an asshole. I was very offended, and took action very offensively, as such. I mean, how would you feel if I went around, changing your signatures? But anyway, I should have cooled down first. I sincerely apologise. blankfaze | (беседа!) 14:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I already knew MSIE sucks ;). I'm just teasing of course. It is of course unfortunate that Microsoft does not see the need to follow the Unicode character standards that it itself helped shape. Also, I am a bit suprised that after Microsofts latest security hole anyone is still using their browser at all. Who am I kidding though, people will continue to use their products Ad nauseam, even if they were/are inferior. Anyways, enough of that rant. Download Mozilla Firebird! I used to be stuck using MSIE, but I'm so much happier now! Tabbed browsing is godlyness! Take Care. — マイケル ₪ 02:31, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC) (or as you know me box box box box squigly)

Please do not refactor other users (or more accurately, my) signed comments by inserting strike-thru code, etc. Moving them around wholly is appropriate, but using strike-thru or changing any text in a signed comment, implies that the other user wrote it that way. If you feel strongly that this is needed, ask the user to refactor there own comments, otherwise, please keep them intact. -- Netoholic @ 02:26, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the polite reply. We'll both work better towards the common ends. Happy editing! -- Netoholic @ 03:02, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just noticed this in my Whining section, before archiving it:

It's because I had a broken header on my talk page. It said ==Meta===, which is half recognised as a header and messes up all sections after it. Angela. 04:13, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

You wrote "Rem Hdgs in template: <!-- FOR TECHNICAL REASONS, headings must NOT be placed in templates -->".

[ Jerzy(t) has added clarifying <nowiki> to quote of his edit summary (from a "VfD/" quasi-template page, and to which he (or possibly orthogonal) added comment markup from the edit), making the comment markup visible w/o editing.]

What exactly is the technical problem (I'm being curious, not contentious). -- orthogonal 05:09, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nj Tk
Hi Jerzy - just a quick comment - I really don't think that the Wiki Syntax Project is at all off-topic for the Cleanup page. The whole point of the syntax project is to clean up the wiki syntax of tens of thousands of articles. The only difference between most listings on cleanup and this one is that most listings are for one article, and want a more in-depth edit, whereas Wiki Syntax is much broader (literally 30,000 articles), with very shallow edits (fixing a small subset of problems). That's the only difference - narrow and deep Versus broad and shallow - but the fundamental aspect of improving articles is the same. Additionally I've actually had people comment to me that articles we turn up are quite often the ones in need of a deeper cleanup, which they then go to tag as such on the cleanup page - so again this makes me think that they Wiki Syntax complements Cleanup very well. It was for these reasons that I added the listing to the Cleanup page. On a different topic, one very small polite request - if you add a comment to a listing, can you please sign it? I had to dig through the last 2 days edits on cleanup to work out it was you that had added the comment - I don't have any problem with anyone adding any comments they like, but it is nice to know who added what. All the best, Nickj 01:22, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy, Yep, this is the second time I've listed it on the cleanup page - at first glance this seem to be the best place for it (because of the similarities), but if there's a better place for listing it then I'm happy with that - I'm still trying to work out the best approach! I understand about the Cleanup page getting quite big, and it's not my intention to contribute to page bloat, or the dilute the focus/purpose of Cleanup. Also I've added a paragraph to the Wiki Syntax instructions on "What do I do if I find an article that needs more than just its syntax cleaned up?" that points to Cleanup and explains the different focus of the two - I should have added this before and I agree it's a very good idea to include it. Also, I'm wondering whether a better place might be to add it to the Template:Resources for collaboration, because conceptually it seems to fit best in a category with all the other cleanup pages, yet I don't want to cause conflict by going off-topic in those pages - so I've add this in there for the time being, and left a message for JesseW (who was the last person to edit the template) asking him if he thinks this is OK. All the best, Nickj 05:49, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy, that was a great idea of yours about adding a listing to the Wikipedia:Announcements page - I did this a few days ago, and there was a definite increase in traffic. Most of the brackets are done now, and we're soon going to be down to just the mismatched bold/italic wiki quotes (of which there are heaps and heaps!). All the best, Nickj 02:45, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I'm back from work and am thoroughly relaxed now though I'm still maintaining a wee break till maybe Sunday.

I think these things need to happen occasionally because it forces discussion around policies that for whatever reason are not working as well as they could. Unfortunately somebody has to complain and somebody has to be complained at and in this cicrumstance I was the latter. But I'm not the type to harbour ill feelings towards others.

So yesterday I got down to some editing rather than sysoping, tidied up Tyburn, created Chidiock Tichborne, got it listed on Template:Did you know and then had a good night's sleep. And now I'm bright as a daisy and feeling happy. No ill feelings at all!

Graham ☺ | Talk 11:55, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This section will be eliminated from this page; its content has already been transferred to User talk:Jerzy/Archive 04#Partisan.

[ Dainamo tk ]
Jerzy, I am almost speachless as to your efficiency and excellent administrative judgment in the actions you have taken concerning moving and presenting the above discussion. Well done and thank you. Dainamo 11:41, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

B tk
Jerzy, thanks very much for your giggle-raising comments on "First Bible Stories" (which I nominated for deletion) on VfD. It was a relief to see somebody go on from my own figure-laden example of how a Barnes&Noble book would tend to get a high Barnes&Noble rating, because I was beginning to think it had killed all conversation stone dead. ;-) Bishonen 19:16, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

tk
I apologize for not getting to the edits on this right away. I am going to post them ASAP. I have removed the "inuse" tag from the article, though, because I shouldn't have put it up without finishing the edits right away. If there's some other detail I've missed, please let me know. Thanks for your note. ffirehorse 14:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Update: I just noted your comments at Wikipedia:Cleanup re coordinating clean-up, so I've reverted my changes to what was originally there. ffirehorse 15:27, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Would it be all right if I continue adding to this article? I am hesitant because it seems there was something else you wanted to add about it (I am referring to your comments at Wikipedia:Cleanup, but also to those you left on my talk page). If not, I will resume editing it. Please let me know. Thank you. ffirehorse 23:54, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. It sounds like holding off on editing will save later confusion and stress, so I will gladly do so. ffirehorse 01:09, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I appreciate your letting me know about the situation. I definitely wouldn't say that you were interfering with any edits I was making. The changes I was making were certainly not anything that couldn't wait. ffirehorse 02:59, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've been trying to find out if there's copyright somewhere on the wonderful internally-infinite poem:

Once a mad metapoet

In a mad sort of way

Wrote a mad meta-poem

That started this way

Once a mad metapoet

In a mad sort of way

Wrote a mad meta-poem

That started this way

Once a mad meta-poet

...

Sort of close

Were the words

The meta-poet chose

To bring his verse

To some sort of close

Were the words

The metapoet chose

To bring his verse

To some sort of close.

--jpgordon {gab} 18:42, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This section will be eliminated from this page. Its former content is now at User talk:Jerzy/Archive 04#whiskers.

PS tk
Salutations, Jerzy!
Today I decided to work on extensive revisions to Webster's Dictionary and in poking around found a stub at Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition and a longer article at Webster's Third New International Dictionary. It seems to me it would be best to consolidate the second and third material at Webster's Dictionary, because it is the familiar name and it would put the history of the work, which has appeared under several names in one spot; then put in redirects under the other names. I've integrated the material at the present "Third" article with my own contributions at Webster's Dictionary. Since you've worked on this, I wonder if you have any thoughts. PedanticallySpeaking 16:40, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

• Salve, Jerzy!
  I've posted an answer to your reply at User_talk:PedanticallySpeaking#You_Could_Look_It_Up. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 21:41, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Lifefeed tk
Wikipedia is a liquid web design. Notice how it stretches out to fit the entire width of the browser. This is as opposed to a fixed design, where the website would be defined to an exact pixel width, regardless of the browser (which would either create dead space if your browser was too large, or force you to scroll horizontally if your browser was too small). - Lifefeed 20:56, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Your particpation in the un-justified deletion (via non-discussed reverts) of a factually accurate, non-POV, historical fact from that page has contributed to causing that page to be "protected". Therefore, I am asking you to particpate in the dialog at Talk:Dedham, Massachusetts which the "protection" notice calls for. Either that, or please leave a message for Mirv and request that the page be unprotected. This message will be reposted here daily (approximately) until you acknowledge it on the Dedham, Massachusetts talk page. Thank you 216.153.214.94 03:42, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Further communication from you is unwelcome, and you are on notice that i will revert edits by you here that i consider essentially repetitive; i may (without further notice) do so without reading if sufficiently provoked. I may also cite spamming of my talk page, which you threaten above, as cause for restricting your access to WP.
• I do not anticipate participation in any Dedham debate, since my role in the dispute is simply that of a harmless drudge who happens to have noticed an IP (who is apparently also a banned reg'd user) persistantly and single-handedly beating the same dead horse to the limits of the 3-revert guideline, in opposition to several registered editors who have earned the trust of their peers. (But please feel free to copy this entire section headed "Dedham, Massachusetts" there if you choose; however, do not extract from it without first copying it there as a whole.)
• Your behavior has created a situation where the merits of your arguments for the content you seek are irrelevant, bcz you (the principal or sole one behaving badly) are the problem, and the existing content is not. You might be able to get your content arguments heard if you were to reform, e.g. by directing arguments about the content (not abt your antagonists' behavior) to established WP editors in good standing, who haven't already reverted you (i.e., those you haven't already earned the opposition of). Admittedly, you've dug yourself a hole that will make this hard, but searching article histories for uninvolved editors who've shown an interest in related topics (and admitting to them, with convincing sincerity, that you've recognized the error of your previous methods, so they don't discover your history in a context that suggests you preferred to hide it) may be powerful in moving yourself out of the role of central problem. If someone other than the original author (and an IP who is likely to be the same person) were to revert the content that i restored, you'd be in a situation substantially different from the dead end you are currently pursuing.
• Without thanks to you (which would be insincere), and with no regret for any effects my opposition has had on you, but with optimism for the perpetual possibility of your becoming a colleague here and earning good will from me, i am

--Jerzy(t) 20:02, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)

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Follow this link to this page's Table of Contents. You may find a section in it where a message from you, intended for my attention, could fruitfully be placed.
But the end of this page is always a good place to leave messages to me, especially if you start a new section by

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The material between here and the ToC consists of

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• Help finding things that were previously on this talk page, but have been moved.

(These are some people's top priority, but most will prefer to jump to the Table of Contents, or at the end.)

Years ago, i got stuck in my brain the idea that there's something wrong about modern English singling out the first-person singular pronoun to be spelled with a capital letter. So i spell it without the capital -- except at the beginning of a sentence, or when i'm not the sole author. If you follow my example, native speakers will just figure you're ignorant of the basics.

(I also say the above, and a bit more on my User page.)

These all concern one area of interest, sometimes orient toward an article or articles with the same subject matter, sometimes otherwise connected

• List of people by name (14 kB, '03 Dec - '04 Mar)
• Dialogue with Adam Carr (14 KB, 2004 Jul 16)
• Jerzy as Administrator (16 kB, '04 Sep- Oct)
• Turkey (often re Armenians) (19 kB,
• Wikipedia Categories (9 kB, 2004 Nov 4)
• Carleton College (9 kB, 2004 Nov 6)
• TRAC Programming language (6.7 kB, 2004 Nov 8)

These are more chronological than my Topical Archives listed in the immediately previous section.

• /Archive Index

While this heading & some content in its section may be maintained for the long term, its pre-18:31, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC) content has been moved to /Top Arc TRAC.

Thanks for the tip on the Scientific American article! I happened to go through Miami airport last week, on a conference trip, and bought myself a copy. It may be a month or more before it shows up in bookstores around here...Jorge Stolfi 04:30, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hey, I moved the article without any difficulty. Don't know what was up with that. john 05:01, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The reason you couldn't move it was because List of people by name: Ste needed to be deleted first. Unless a page redirects to the same page that are you are trying to replace it with (and always has done - you can't just edit it to make it a redirect there), then you need to delete a redirect before you can move something into its place. Anyway, it should be ok now. Angela. 09:01, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)~

Good morning. I've moved List of people by name: Bo-Bq to List of people by name: Bo as you requested. I'll leave you to sort out redirects. Angela. 06:43, May 5, 2004 (UTC)

[ JML]
Your comment about a redirect with no history makes me think that maybe I could do this myself without fouling things up, but I'd rather play safe.

An article was moved from Modeling (NLP) to Modelling (NLP), leaving a redirect. I think it should be moved back with a redirect where the article now is. I explained the background at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#August 4, but it seems like it can take a while for anything to happen on that page. I noticed your expression of particular willingness to help with such situations, so I'm calling it to your attention. Thanks for anything you can do. JamesMLane 20:15, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for laying out the process in detail for me. That was exactly what I needed. I think I've moved the article, and even fixed the links, without causing any floods or earthquakes. I gather from your comment on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion that you can handle the administrative followup needed there, which would be great.

By the way, just in case you haven't come across it, one of my favorite articles on Wikipedia is American and British English differences. It's very useful when you need to get a handle on how something is "spelt" in Commonwealth usage. JamesMLane 23:49, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hiya! I was wondering if you noticed any weird behaviour from the system when you made those edits to WP:VFD earlier? Because your 12:11 edit "Logamnesia — Add to this discussion - +=== July 7 === blw it" caused a doubling of the whole page, and then your 12:18 edit "pre-ToC: + 7th; rlk 1st to /Old" caused another one!!

Did you hit any edit conflicts? I notice that you were moving some section headers around, thought maybe that we could be onto a clue here as to what causes the page-doubling? —Stormie 02:04, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

<KF> tk User talk:KF#List of people by name: Fi

• 00:10, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (edit conflict with myself)
• 00:09, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (Please let me save this page)
• 00:06, Oct 21, 2004 KF m (Bin-Bio)

Hi, thanks for your message, which I believe I haven't fully understood. Thanks also for cleaning up the list of people. Whatever happened, whether it was my connection, my ISP, or Wikipedia itself running slowly, I thought there was no way I could save that page. At 00:09, after waiting for three minutes, I pressed the save button a second time. Then I got a message telling me I was having an edit conflict with myself. I pressed the save button a third time and gave up. It has happened to me before, I don't know if it also happens to other people.

All the best, <KF> 22:42, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

See especially #VfD section doubling in #Section-editing Anomolies above.

On Template talk:VfDFooter, you suggested that the silence means we should add the anti-ad language back to the footer. I'd rather wait a while longer. The instructions are much too clumsy right now. I've already made my case for why I think the ad language is overkill. Let's both take a few more days to see if we can drum up any more interest in discussing the point. Thanks. Rossami 15:13, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I like it. And I'd never found WP:RFC before. Thank you. Let's do the collaboration on the talk page. I'll start a draft there (unless you already have). Rossami

St
Hi Jerzy, got your message about closing VfDs..

As a freshly appointed admin, I decided to help reduce the size of the VFD page by closing off some 5-day-old entries, and, not being sure of the exact process, I read Wikipedia:Deletion process. It makes absolutely no mention of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old (which I'd never heard of before), it just says (paraphrasing) at the end of the VFD period, determine whether the consensus is to keep or delete, add the header and footer to the discussion page and link it from the article talk page (if you're keeping) or Wikipedia:Archived deletion debates (if you're deleting), and remove the listing from the VfD page (emphasis mine).

So I think some editing to Wikipedia:Deletion process is in order. :-)

Now that you've brought VfD/Old to my attention, I'll help out with clearing things out there. Although I may not be that much help, since I don't intend to touch anything that isn't completely clear-cut in its voting until I'm more experienced at this. —Stormie 23:22, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

p.s. I'm not sure what you mean by "what reason is there for the confusing and less efficient practice of closing and perhaps taking action before midnite, unless you are going to reduce the excessive size of VfD by getting the entries off VfD?" — the two I closed (The Meritocracy and Tips for New Poker Players), I actually removed from the VfD page before I closed the debate & actioned the delete (see [2]). —Stormie 23:42, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy.. it occurred to me after I posted that p.s. that maybe you had VFD opened up from before I edited it, such is life. As for the instructions on Wikipedia:Deletion process, I'm happy to have a stab at clarifying them—I'll drop you a note when I've done so, so you can have a glance over the page and make sure it all (a) makes sense and (b) accurately describes the desired procedure. Cheers! —Stormie 00:52, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

OK, I've revised Wikipedia:Deletion process. It didn't change much, just explained the VfD/Old situation, and copied in a little bit from Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators to remind people to pay heed to redirects and links when deleting a page. Hope you like it! —Stormie 03:47, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Hello, Jerzy. 10 days on VfD is a long time, and the art in question hadn't been significantly changed since Manning's reverse-redir and copyedits. I'm not sure what you expect to happen by continuing to leave the VfD discussion up, though I understand it is an emotional issue for the participants. Feel free to explain your concerns on my talk page. Cheers, +sj+ 04:36, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC) (after reading your comments on VfU, I have a slightly better understanding of what you hope for... but still no sense of how you will determine when it is appropriate to archive te VfD discussion.)

You're a fairly new admin, so I suppose you don't remember when the recommendation was that VfD-templates be deleted once the VfD discussion was over. I can live with the community decision, since then, to keep everything... but it wasn't because the GFDL requires that. Similarly, I agree that as long as one is preserving a large block of text with unsigned edits, it is nice to preserve its edit history; moving it to a Talk:foo/Delete page is a great solution. And again, this is for neatness's sake more than for legal reasons; a user leaving an unsigned comment, then set in amber and referred to by others, on a talk page about a piece of actual content -- is many steps removed from a copyright grievance; note for instance that the GFDL is content to have a list of [major] editors of a body of work for a given year, without any details of who contributed what where.

In any case, thank you for caring about these issues, and for fixing the things you see as broken. Wiki works best when editors are bold, and don't worry about pushing back on one another. +sj+ 08:51, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

ps - why do you make 'routine dummy edits' to your own talk page? +sj+

I think my solution meets a nice midpoint. The article has changed substantially, and the article it was supposed to redirect to got changed to a redirect to it. However, since it should be Genital integrity and not Genital Integrity, I'm still hacking at it a bit. But I think the matter is basically settled. Oy. Snowspinner 21:24, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

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If you feel that a VfD vote has failed, the best option is often to relist it on VfD for a second round and see if things turn out differently. - SimonP 17:10, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy. Thanks for explaining your dummy edits, and I'm glad we're on the same wavelength again about moves and deletions. I'm just writing to remind you to vote in the ArbComm elections on En: today. Raul654 and I are both running on platforms to make the AC fast and efficient, and I'd like to help it view its own infallibility with a healthy grain of salt. +sj+ 22:39, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

AC et al

Yes, you can vote more than once. Only your last ballot is counted. You should vote for every candidate you would like to see in office!

+sj+ 22:54, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You, sir, are an asshole. Because I'm too lazy and too busy to get in some petty war over a signature, I will remove the link that you have a problem with. However, you are still an asshole. Don't ever mess with my (or anyone else's, for that matter) signature again. It's not your place. I'm not quite sure how you made admin, going around doing rude, unilateral, agregious shit like that. blankfaze | •• | •• 14:16, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Now that I've cooled down a bit, I want to apologise for calling you an asshole. I was very offended, and took action very offensively, as such. I mean, how would you feel if I went around, changing your signatures? But anyway, I should have cooled down first. I sincerely apologise. blankfaze | (беседа!) 14:51, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I already knew MSIE sucks ;). I'm just teasing of course. It is of course unfortunate that Microsoft does not see the need to follow the Unicode character standards that it itself helped shape. Also, I am a bit suprised that after Microsofts latest security hole anyone is still using their browser at all. Who am I kidding though, people will continue to use their products Ad nauseam, even if they were/are inferior. Anyways, enough of that rant. Download Mozilla Firebird! I used to be stuck using MSIE, but I'm so much happier now! Tabbed browsing is godlyness! Take Care. — マイケル ₪ 02:31, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC) (or as you know me box box box box squigly)

Please do not refactor other users (or more accurately, my) signed comments by inserting strike-thru code, etc. Moving them around wholly is appropriate, but using strike-thru or changing any text in a signed comment, implies that the other user wrote it that way. If you feel strongly that this is needed, ask the user to refactor there own comments, otherwise, please keep them intact. -- Netoholic @ 02:26, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the polite reply. We'll both work better towards the common ends. Happy editing! -- Netoholic @ 03:02, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just noticed this in my Whining section, before archiving it:

It's because I had a broken header on my talk page. It said ==Meta===, which is half recognised as a header and messes up all sections after it. Angela. 04:13, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

You wrote "Rem Hdgs in template: <!-- FOR TECHNICAL REASONS, headings must NOT be placed in templates -->".

[ Jerzy(t) has added clarifying <nowiki> to quote of his edit summary (from a "VfD/" quasi-template page, and to which he (or possibly orthogonal) added comment markup from the edit), making the comment markup visible w/o editing.]

What exactly is the technical problem (I'm being curious, not contentious). -- orthogonal 05:09, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nj Tk
Hi Jerzy - just a quick comment - I really don't think that the Wiki Syntax Project is at all off-topic for the Cleanup page. The whole point of the syntax project is to clean up the wiki syntax of tens of thousands of articles. The only difference between most listings on cleanup and this one is that most listings are for one article, and want a more in-depth edit, whereas Wiki Syntax is much broader (literally 30,000 articles), with very shallow edits (fixing a small subset of problems). That's the only difference - narrow and deep Versus broad and shallow - but the fundamental aspect of improving articles is the same. Additionally I've actually had people comment to me that articles we turn up are quite often the ones in need of a deeper cleanup, which they then go to tag as such on the cleanup page - so again this makes me think that they Wiki Syntax complements Cleanup very well. It was for these reasons that I added the listing to the Cleanup page. On a different topic, one very small polite request - if you add a comment to a listing, can you please sign it? I had to dig through the last 2 days edits on cleanup to work out it was you that had added the comment - I don't have any problem with anyone adding any comments they like, but it is nice to know who added what. All the best, Nickj 01:22, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy, Yep, this is the second time I've listed it on the cleanup page - at first glance this seem to be the best place for it (because of the similarities), but if there's a better place for listing it then I'm happy with that - I'm still trying to work out the best approach! I understand about the Cleanup page getting quite big, and it's not my intention to contribute to page bloat, or the dilute the focus/purpose of Cleanup. Also I've added a paragraph to the Wiki Syntax instructions on "What do I do if I find an article that needs more than just its syntax cleaned up?" that points to Cleanup and explains the different focus of the two - I should have added this before and I agree it's a very good idea to include it. Also, I'm wondering whether a better place might be to add it to the Template:Resources for collaboration, because conceptually it seems to fit best in a category with all the other cleanup pages, yet I don't want to cause conflict by going off-topic in those pages - so I've add this in there for the time being, and left a message for JesseW (who was the last person to edit the template) asking him if he thinks this is OK. All the best, Nickj 05:49, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jerzy, that was a great idea of yours about adding a listing to the Wikipedia:Announcements page - I did this a few days ago, and there was a definite increase in traffic. Most of the brackets are done now, and we're soon going to be down to just the mismatched bold/italic wiki quotes (of which there are heaps and heaps!). All the best, Nickj 02:45, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I'm back from work and am thoroughly relaxed now though I'm still maintaining a wee break till maybe Sunday.

I think these things need to happen occasionally because it forces discussion around policies that for whatever reason are not working as well as they could. Unfortunately somebody has to complain and somebody has to be complained at and in this cicrumstance I was the latter. But I'm not the type to harbour ill feelings towards others.

So yesterday I got down to some editing rather than sysoping, tidied up Tyburn, created Chidiock Tichborne, got it listed on Template:Did you know and then had a good night's sleep. And now I'm bright as a daisy and feeling happy. No ill feelings at all!

Graham ☺ | Talk 11:55, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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[ Dainamo tk ]
Jerzy, I am almost speachless as to your efficiency and excellent administrative judgment in the actions you have taken concerning moving and presenting the above discussion. Well done and thank you. Dainamo 11:41, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

B tk
Jerzy, thanks very much for your giggle-raising comments on "First Bible Stories" (which I nominated for deletion) on VfD. It was a relief to see somebody go on from my own figure-laden example of how a Barnes&Noble book would tend to get a high Barnes&Noble rating, because I was beginning to think it had killed all conversation stone dead. ;-) Bishonen 19:16, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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I apologize for not getting to the edits on this right away. I am going to post them ASAP. I have removed the "inuse" tag from the article, though, because I shouldn't have put it up without finishing the edits right away. If there's some other detail I've missed, please let me know. Thanks for your note. ffirehorse 14:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Update: I just noted your comments at Wikipedia:Cleanup re coordinating clean-up, so I've reverted my changes to what was originally there. ffirehorse 15:27, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Would it be all right if I continue adding to this article? I am hesitant because it seems there was something else you wanted to add about it (I am referring to your comments at Wikipedia:Cleanup, but also to those you left on my talk page). If not, I will resume editing it. Please let me know. Thank you. ffirehorse 23:54, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. It sounds like holding off on editing will save later confusion and stress, so I will gladly do so. ffirehorse 01:09, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I appreciate your letting me know about the situation. I definitely wouldn't say that you were interfering with any edits I was making. The changes I was making were certainly not anything that couldn't wait. ffirehorse 02:59, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've been trying to find out if there's copyright somewhere on the wonderful internally-infinite poem:

Once a mad metapoet

In a mad sort of way

Wrote a mad meta-poem

That started this way

Once a mad metapoet

In a mad sort of way

Wrote a mad meta-poem

That started this way

Once a mad meta-poet

...

Sort of close

Were the words

The meta-poet chose

To bring his verse

To some sort of close

Were the words

The metapoet chose

To bring his verse

To some sort of close.

--jpgordon {gab} 18:42, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This section will be eliminated from this page. Its former content is now at User talk:Jerzy/Archive 04#whiskers.

PS tk
Salutations, Jerzy!
Today I decided to work on extensive revisions to Webster's Dictionary and in poking around found a stub at Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition and a longer article at Webster's Third New International Dictionary. It seems to me it would be best to consolidate the second and third material at Webster's Dictionary, because it is the familiar name and it would put the history of the work, which has appeared under several names in one spot; then put in redirects under the other names. I've integrated the material at the present "Third" article with my own contributions at Webster's Dictionary. Since you've worked on this, I wonder if you have any thoughts. PedanticallySpeaking 16:40, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

• Salve, Jerzy!
  I've posted an answer to your reply at User_talk:PedanticallySpeaking#You_Could_Look_It_Up. Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 21:41, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Lifefeed tk
Wikipedia is a liquid web design. Notice how it stretches out to fit the entire width of the browser. This is as opposed to a fixed design, where the website would be defined to an exact pixel width, regardless of the browser (which would either create dead space if your browser was too large, or force you to scroll horizontally if your browser was too small). - Lifefeed 20:56, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Your particpation in the un-justified deletion (via non-discussed reverts) of a factually accurate, non-POV, historical fact from that page has contributed to causing that page to be "protected". Therefore, I am asking you to particpate in the dialog at Talk:Dedham, Massachusetts which the "protection" notice calls for. Either that, or please leave a message for Mirv and request that the page be unprotected. This message will be reposted here daily (approximately) until you acknowledge it on the Dedham, Massachusetts talk page. Thank you 216.153.214.94 03:42, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Further communication from you is unwelcome, and you are on notice that i will revert edits by you here that i consider essentially repetitive; i may (without further notice) do so without reading if sufficiently provoked. I may also cite spamming of my talk page, which you threaten above, as cause for restricting your access to WP.
• I do not anticipate participation in any Dedham debate, since my role in the dispute is simply that of a harmless drudge who happens to have noticed an IP (who is apparently also a banned reg'd user) persistantly and single-handedly beating the same dead horse to the limits of the 3-revert guideline, in opposition to several registered editors who have earned the trust of their peers. (But please feel free to copy this entire section headed "Dedham, Massachusetts" there if you choose; however, do not extract from it without first copying it there as a whole.)
• Your behavior has created a situation where the merits of your arguments for the content you seek are irrelevant, bcz you (the principal or sole one behaving badly) are the problem, and the existing content is not. You might be able to get your content arguments heard if you were to reform, e.g. by directing arguments about the content (not abt your antagonists' behavior) to established WP editors in good standing, who haven't already reverted you (i.e., those you haven't already earned the opposition of). Admittedly, you've dug yourself a hole that will make this hard, but searching article histories for uninvolved editors who've shown an interest in related topics (and admitting to them, with convincing sincerity, that you've recognized the error of your previous methods, so they don't discover your history in a context that suggests you preferred to hide it) may be powerful in moving yourself out of the role of central problem. If someone other than the original author (and an IP who is likely to be the same person) were to revert the content that i restored, you'd be in a situation substantially different from the dead end you are currently pursuing.
• Without thanks to you (which would be insincere), and with no regret for any effects my opposition has had on you, but with optimism for the perpetual possibility of your becoming a colleague here and earning good will from me, i am

--Jerzy(t) 20:02, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)

A fresh reply awaits @ User_talk:Sam_Spade#Nagarjuna. Sam [] 04:54, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have posted the respective replies at my Talk page. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 15:12, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)