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add support for Signatures

| label70 = Signature | data70 = {{#if:{{{signature|}}}|{{#invoke:InfoboxImage|InfoboxImage|image={{{signature|}}}|size={{{signature_size|}}}|sizedefault=150px|alt={{{signature alt|{{{signature_alt|}}}}}}}} }}

Jaredzimmerman (WMF) (talk) 03:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any discussion or consensus for this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Support this change the inclusion of |signature=, noting that the parameter already exists in {{Infobox person}} (but have disabled the EP template until we establish consensus). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

for a bit of history see threads in Archive 3, Archive 1, and the most lengthy in Archive 2. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

note that the code posted above would not be the way to do it, since this is a frontend for {{infobox person}}. I, personally, don't really care either way. but if it is done, it should be done by simply passing it through to {{infobox person}}. Frietjes (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My comment duly amended. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus…yet, but it seems like a conversation is happening now. Which is good, I assumed it would be non-controversial since infobox artist is a subset of infobox person which already has the signature parameter. I was honestly surprised that it wasn't there in the first place given the importance of an artist's signature. Jaredzimmerman (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I support the change, there are times I would have liked to add the signature - and have nothing further to add to what has already been said.--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the reasons given in previous discussions - not infobox material, as many artists need 4 or more signatures to be given to adaequately cover their life. There is a whole book on Rembrandt's signatures. Johnbod (talk) 21:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just for discussion purposes: I'm not sure that I understand the logic. The artist's appearance changes dramatically over their career, but we only have one image of them in the infobox.

There are books with artist's signatures that don't have multiple signatures per artist. How did they choose what signature to include? Would it help if there was a caption, like there is for images? I'm guessing that it goes without saying why artist's signatures are interesting.--CaroleHenson (talk) 23:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The unsubstantiated assertion "not infobox material" is easily refuted by pointing out, again, that a |signature= is already in the parent template. For every infobox parameter, there is an edge case such as the Rembrant example; that's no reason not to provide the parameter for the vast majority of cases where such extremes do not apply. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:04, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Add Please:
| relations = {{{relations|{{{family|}}}}}}
Feoffer (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I support this addition, but think we should add |parents= and |children=, too. (Better still would be to merge the two templates fully.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes, adding |parents= and |children= would be good. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to suggest a new optional parameter, ethnicity. To show its usefulness, consider for example the case of Italian or German artists active before 1861 (Italian unification) or 1871 (German Unification): they cannot be defined as being Italian/German nationals, since Italy/Germany did not exist at that time. In these cases, at present we use the parameter "nationality", giving to it the meaning of ethnicity. With the new parameter we could either leave the nationality parameter empty or use it to describe the state of whom the artist was citizen or subject (for example, in the case of Titian, the Republic of Venice). In all the other cases (when ethnicity and nationality coincide), we could ignore the ethnicity and fill only the nationality field. Alex2006 (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The doc now advises use of {{birth date and age}}, which requires a full date. However, as per WP:DOB the exact birth date should normally not be included in articles about living people unless it is widely published already, or has clearly been published with the approval of the person. Many editors seem to be automaically following this documetation and insertig full dates of birth where they should not. I have now included a warning about this in the doc. DES ^(talk) 18:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to add influenced_by and influenced to the template (it calls infobox person which doesnt have theese)?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian75 (talk • contribs) 15:33, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

It used to be there and was removed and rightly so. Like "years active", it's a parameter that creates problems of emphasis and false precision, depending on how "active" and "influenced" are understood. Ewulp (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please activate the signature parameter. The discussion above from 22 October 2014 is about a close to consensus as Wikipedia is likely to get. If anyone wants to remove the signature parameter then that should be discussed at Template talk:Infobox person, not here, as that is where the parameter is implemented. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Sorry. The template has not supported a signature since 2009. I would want to see a stronger consensus before changing the status quo. And it is quite reasonable that a parameter exists on the parent template, which local consensus determines is not appropriate for this particular infobox. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]