Lamb of God is groove? I call BS. I'm removing them if nobody has any objections in the next few days. 72.40.53.121 03:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't listen to bands like Lamb of God, but Encyclopedia Metallum does have them listed as groove metal/metalcore and for the most part their genre classifications are pretty accurate. I say that counts for something. Pasajero 02:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bands like Black Label Society aren't on this list? Why? I thought Zakk Wylde was groove metal.

Black Label Society is sludge/southern metal.

Wow, a first. I have never, ever, heard this term before! I'm strongly questioning its very existence. "Half-thrash"? What? While the bands sure are groovy, I doubt the fact that this term is widely used. Is this section really necessary? Shandolad 12:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes bands like Pantera, White Zombie, and others have labelled themselves as "groove metal" there is a noted difference, unlike other so-called genres of music (such as the -core genres which all sound pretty much the same to me, which to me should all fall under one labelling, "hardcore-punk" or "hardcore-metal") - groove has a distinctive slower tempo, synchopated chord patterns, major use of the blues minor scale for rythm guitar riffs, etc. Most Metal genres can be very distinctive; e.g. Thrash Metal: Fast tempo, semi-shouted singing Death Metal: Fast tempo, low grunts Black Metal: Usually high pitched singing Grindcore (the only one of the cores which is different to me) -instanely fast guitar riffs with very fast beats Doom Metal - Very slow heavy metal (also known as "Goth Metal") then you have Groove metal - which is somewhere distinctly in the middle tempo wise, simular to classic metal's tempo but much heavier in sound by contrast. DarrelClemmons

I must admit I had never heard of Groove Metal until just when I was surfing the Wiki. What about the last few Anthrax albums with John Bush? I guess they would be Groove Metal then. Not Thrash which is what Anthrax were in the Belladonna days, but Groove would fit their later work. What do you guys think? JSL595 20:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this is not the first time I've heard someone say this. Supposedly Overkill's and Annihilator's newer stuff is also groove (as opposed to thrash). I haven't added either of the bands since I am unfamiliar with their newer material. Metal-archives.com has Anthrax listed as speed/thrash/groove so I guess the classification would be valid. Check out some of the reviews for "We've Come For You All." Pasajero 18:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What happened here, I thought this was a groove metal band, but instead their listed as nu metal..This draws concern, because even though they arrived in the spot light durring the nu metal boom, they do not use elements of nu metal, such as turn tables, hiphop/beat box/basslines, rapping vocal styles, ect. Instead they tend to fit the genre of traditional alt. metal, and groove metal.. 72.148.85.104 07:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drowning Pool is rock not metal. Therefore they can't possibly be groove METAL. Pasajero 20:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree that drowning pool is groove, the lead singer was good friends with Dimebag Darrel, and they have covered pantera songs that I couldn't hear that it wasnt a classic DP song. there are many differences but that's too expect from two different bands. I'd say they are but nu-metal fits too as most nu takes it's inspiration from groove orionted bands such as sepultura, prong, pantera and such

Well, for me, I'd have to say:

• 1. Mid tempo, blues-based riffs (sometimes dissonant riffs using not just blues scales but also the chromatic scale).
• 2. Hardcore-punk style shouted vocals.
• 3. Intelligent lyrics.

As far as tone of guitars: cutting out the midrange around 200 hz of the guitars while boosting highs and lows Groove metal usually has a thunderous presence... Less is more, I guess you could say, where as thrash metal, death metal and grind-core try to say it in a billion notes per second, groove metal tries to simplify it a bit.. kind of like doom, only not quite so drastic.. Doom is really slow tempo, a good example: Candlemass Epistle 81, right around 50 beats per minute. A standard Pantera song, howeveer... probably between 90 and 160 beats per minute. (Cemetary Gates is right at 140 beats per minute)

Thrash and Death metal do more of a "droning a single note" thing, where as groove changes notes in its melodies or chord patterns more often rather than droning as often (especially in break-down riffs) There are exceptions to the rule however.... There are bands who are considered mostly groove who have written thrash or death songs. good example of one that uses drone notes: Pantera Suicide Note Pt. 2... but at the end it has a couple of nice break down groove riffs.

Machine Head's intro in "A Thousand Lies" sounds pretty droning to me. Groove also puts more emphasis on rhythm guitar (Fear Factory and Pro-Pain give the best examples for this) than thrash does but there are still leads and solos here and there, especially in Pantera and Sepultura. I think Helmet and Prong should be noted as groove. Prong used to be thrashy but later evolved their sound to be more Fear Factory-ish and Pantera-ish. Helmet are groove since they feature the riffs and they just really don't belong in any other placing but they do stand out in groove as they feature more melody than the others do and have more melodic singing. [User:Markendust|Markendust]